Sunday, July 03, 2011

The Bible and Apologetics

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/1john57.htm

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjvdcha8.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/1john57-exegesis.htm

http://answer-islam.org/Answering-Osamarebuttal.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/spirit1_r1.htm

http://answering-islam.org/God/echad.html

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_02.asp

http://www.bible.ca/H-trinity.htm

http://carm.org/early-trinitarian-quotes


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From http://web.archive.org/web/20090529151526/http://christkeep.com/articles/eucharist_exposed.html


Catholic Eucharist is Unbiblical
(www.catholic.com refuted)

“Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.” – Isaiah 44:15

Notice how Isaiah mimics the terminology of the Eucharist? Roman Catholics bake bread [eucharist] make it into a god, WORSHIP it, and even bow to it.

“Yet how he can contract a solid body within so little room, I think it is directly contrary to itself, for to be made so little, and yet not diminished: To be so straightly drawn together, and yet feel no pain; I think it is so contrary to the quality of a natural body, and so like to the little transubstantiate god in the Papists’ Mass, that I can never believe it.” – King James, Daemonologie

“John 6:30 begins a colloquy that took place in the synagogue at Capernaum. The Jews asked Jesus what sign he could perform so that they might believe in him. As a challenge, they noted that "our ancestors ate manna in the desert." Could Jesus top that? He told them the real bread from heaven comes from the Father. "Give us this bread always," they said. Jesus replied, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst." [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



Bible Modification Warning: The disciples said: “evermore give us this bread,” NOT “Give us this bread ALWAYS,” (they wanted to have the bread at that instant, and, wanted to have a constant supply) Christ didn’t give them any physical bread when they asked; Christ didn’t HAVE any bread at the time when he said these things in Capernaum.



Paul threw the bread into the sea after giving thanks

“And when he (Paul) had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all: and when he had broken it, he began to eat. Then were they all of good cheer, and they also took some meat. And we were in all in the ship two hundred threescore and sixteen souls. And when they had eaten enough, they lightened the ship, and cast out the wheat into the sea.” – Acts 27:35-38

They casted out the bread into the sea! Can you imagine how “blasphemous” that would be to Catholics if they did that to Eucharist wafers? (Of course they are just pieces of bread, nothing special).

They weren’t eating the bread for “salvation,” they were eating it for actual food! We are finite and are dependent on these “barriers.”

If the Catholic Church is based on “Apostolic succession” – then Paul would have had the ability to magically turn bread into Christ; it was just plain normal bread! The apostles couldn’t change a piece of bread into a rock if their life depended on it – let alone turning bread into an almighty, omnipotent and divine creator of the universe.

Note: they didn’t just eat bread, but also meat! This goes against the Catholic mass (you wouldn’t tell a priest after receiving the Eucharist: “can I have some meat with that?”).



“And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.” – Acts 2:42

“And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,” – Acts 2:46

They broke bread loaves as a symbol (and for physical food, not for religious reasons). It was a sign of fellowship, a sign that Christ has died on the cross for our free salvation. And when they ate their bread – they were GLAD and rejoicing, you were lucky to get meals of bread in Jesus’ day, food was hard to come by.

Note: here we see them ALSO eating meat with their bread yet again. The Greek word for “meat” is “trophe,” and it appears in both Acts 27:36 and Acts 2:46. It’s also worthy to state that neither the Apostles nor the disciples stated that the “bread” was Christ, they just called it normal old bread – even throwing it into seas.



Meat that “perisheth”

Jesus wasn’t trying to “top” anything, he states that the people did seek him for the physical loaves, but Christ came to give them eternal life (which is obviously spiritual): “Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.” – John 6:26-27

Christ was talking about the foreshadow of his death; the Father had sealed Christ’s appointed death, and thus he would give them eternal life by their faith (believers were also saved by faith in the Old Testament as well, but Christ was the one who removed the “curse of the law” where no physical sacrifices are required – which is proof enough that salvation is only spiritual: Old Testament sins were “queued” for Christ’s upcoming death).

We read that CHRIST HIMSELF will give us meat that endures for life eternal – thus signifying it is a gift we are to receive from faith. How can the Eucharist be physical if Christ talked about meat that didn’t perish? Eucharist wafers will perish; everything does on this earth except God’s word. Christ even told his disciples to “labour not” for meat that perishes! Can it be more obvious? Only the meat which Christ gives us (salvation) will endure for eternity.



God’s Word does not perish

The only thing that does not perish is God’s Word:

“The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.” – Isaiah 40:8

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” – Matthew 24:35



God IS his Word:

“And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.” – Revelation 19:13



Since God is his Word, and his Word does not perish – how could Christ be referring to a physical wafer that DOES perish? He couldn’t have been, for he was referring to himself – God does not perish and lives forever.



Christ never gave them any bread!

“Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.” – John 6:34-35

When the disciples asked Christ “give us this bread;” he never handed them any Eucharist wafers, he said I AM the bread (referring to Exodus 3:14, God’s statement: “I AM who I AM”), and whoever BELIEVES on him shall “never thirst or hunger” (same as in John 4:13-14/4:31-34, but water and meat was used). Furthermore, Christ just told them they would “never hunger;” so no physical [finite] wafers could accomplish this.

To conclude this; Jesus was teaching in Capernaum – he never had any physical bread at the time! In fact, when the disciples were quickly squabbling wanting the bread, Christ passed it off and said HE WAS THE BREAD: referring to his spiritual being and not a piece of physical bread.

“These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.” – John 6:59

Christ was merely telling the congregation about believing on him. And the second purpose of this was to foreshadow Christ’s death – see God always has multiple purposes for one event.



Christ says his words (the sermon) were spirit

After Christ’s “breadless” sermon in Capernaum, Christ clarifies to his disciples (who thought he was being literal):

“Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you (the sermon), they are spirit, and they are life.” – John 6:60-63



Christ told his disciples (after they were murmuring like the Pharisees – both groups thought he was literal) that the flesh “profits nothing,” and the words spoken to them in Capernaum (about eating the flesh/bread) ARE SPIRIT!

This is irrefutable evidence against the “Eucharist” required for salvation – it’s not the Eucharist you need – it’s placing faith in Christ: it’s all spiritual, nothing physical required. If physical works were required, Christ wouldn’t have said “it is the SPIRIT that quickeneth” – and who gives the increase? God!

Anyone who tries to twist Christ’s words (the very words HE spoke) is hopeless – Christ said the flesh profits nothing and that his John 6 words were spirit.
But Catholic.com attempts to do just that...

“In John 6:60 we read: "Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, ‘This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?’" These were his disciples, people used to his remarkable ways. He warned them not to think carnally, but spiritually: "It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life" (John 6:63; cf. 1 Cor. 2:12–14).” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



Why would Christ be telling his disciples to think “spiritually” when they were murmuring over what he said? That wouldn’t have answered their question over Christ’s sermon! In fact, that random “interpretation” that the catholics give is such a sore thumb it doesn’t even fit in context with John 6. They were murmuring about him saying he was a physical piece of bread – and you’ll see why this is important. Furthermore, the Greek word “pneuma” is used for “spirit,” meaning Christ was referring to his spiritual BEING (and that his flesh form profits nothing, only spirit is of value – the flesh dies and is useless, a finite dependant casing that houses our soul). Pneuma on its own cannot be used to describe a “thought” because it refers to a spirit.



Catholics bend backwards to twist John 6:60-63 - somehow trying to link it to Christ warning his disciples not to think carnally but spiritually. Christ said the “words” (referring to his sermon on Capernaum) were spiritual and not actually referring to his flesh.



You can even tell the disciples were murmuring over the SERMON:

“These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this (the sermon), said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?” – John 6:59-60



Why the disciples forsook Christ

“But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.” – John 6:64-68

The disciples whom were with Christ walked away because they DIDN’T BELIEVE HE WAS THE CHRIST! Peter told Jesus that he has the WORDS (not bread) of eternal life. For the words (sermon) spoken at Capernaum was in spiritual terms, not literal. Soon as Christ dilates to them in John 6:63 that he wasn’t literal, they left! Notice they didn’t leave before when they thought Christ was literal.



Catholic.com has fabricated a response to this:

“This is the only record we have of any of Christ’s followers forsaking him for purely doctrinal reasons. If it had all been a misunderstanding, if they erred in taking a metaphor in a literal sense, why didn’t he call them back and straighten things out? Both the Jews, who were suspicious of him, and his disciples, who had accepted everything up to this point, would have remained with him had he said he was speaking only symbolically.” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



Doctrinal reasons? They didn’t forsake him because he said he was a piece of bread - that was the reason they stayed: they thought he meant he was a piece of bread - they forsook Christ AFTER he explained (in John 6:60-63) what he meant with the bread analogy: because they did not BELIEVE he was the Christ; the Son of God.

Christ was implying that he was the Son of God the whole time, only AFTER when they understood did they turn away.

This makes sense since the Jews and Pharisees constantly persecuted Jesus saying he wasn’t the “Son of God.”



Christ assigned the twelve apostles to make the Jews believe that Jesus was the Son of God giving them eternal life:

“These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” – Matthew 10:5-6

Note: Paul was the only apostle sent to the “gentiles.” He was apostle #13; James was the replacement to Judas Iscariot.



Why didn’t Christ call back his disciples to “straighten things out?” He WAS doing that (hence assigning the twelve apostles in Matthew 10:5-6 to bring the lost Jews to Christ). The Bible plays a humorous joke – since now the GENTILES are the ones trying to straighten out the Jews (before in the Old Testament it was reversed); clearly catholic.com didn’t take this into account if they think Christ isn’t doing anything to correct people (2 Peter 3:9).



“But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.” – John 6:64

Jesus knew from the BEGINNING who would follow him, and who wouldn’t. Jesus was constantly debating and arguing with the Pharisees (who laughed at him while on the cross); do you think he could change their minds? Of course not.



“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!” – Matthew 23:37

Christ DID try to gather the lost Jews, he wanted them to come so badly, but they WOULD NOT! God gives us free choice; does Catholic.com expect the Jews and former disciples to come back to Christ like magic?



Early Church knew about John 6:63

“Whatever else might be said, the early Church took John 6 literally. In fact, there is no record from the early centuries that implies Christians doubted the constant Catholic interpretation. There exists no document in which the literal interpretation is opposed and only the metaphorical accepted.” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



The early Church did NOT take John chapter 6 literally. There may have been the oddball that misinterpreted scripture being carnal (such as Cyprian or Clement – just as such people exist today); however, all of the early church letters give an allegorical sense, not literal. Catholic.com is being very biased and obviously never took the care to backup or give different views. So let’s see a quick overview from the church “beginners” (I prefer not to use the term “fathers” because of Matthew 23:9):

Ignatius writes: “I have no delight in the food of corruption or in the delights of this life. I desire the bread of God, WHICH IS the flesh of Christ who was of the seed of David; and for a draught I desire His blood, WHICH IS love incorruptible.” – Ignatius of Antioch to the Romans, Chapter 7, 7:3

You’ll notice Ignatius says he doesn’t delight for FOOD of corruption (i.e. actual physical food). Rather the bread OF GOD, which is Christ dying on the cross for our sins that we may believe – the bread OF GOD (i.e. the bread of life) is not physical bread – it is an allusion for Christ. And Ignatius finishes off by saying Christ’s blood – WHICH IS LOVE! Not actual physical wine.

Polycarp writes that we are NOT saved by “works” (i.e. eating bread or dunking oneself in water), rather, simply by faith:

“though ye saw Him not, ye believe with joy unutterable and full of glory; unto which joy many desire to enter in; forasmuch as ye know that it is by grace ye are saved, not of works, but by the will of God through Jesus Christ.” – Polycarp 1:3

Polycarp was alluding to these verses (he mostly quotes Paul throughout his letter):

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” – Romans 4:5

“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” – John 6:40

The Eucharist (or the last supper) is merely “commemorating” and remembering Christ’s death, Augustine affirms this: “Before the coming of Christ, the flesh and blood of this sacrifice were foreshadowed in the animals slain; in the passion of Christ the types were fulfilled by the true sacrifice; after the ascension of Christ, this sacrifice is commemorated in the sacrament” - Augustine, Contra Faustus, XX

As for there being no “document” opposing a literal view – of course not! Roman Catholicism didn’t exist yet, so, the subject wasn’t a controversy. Everyone knew that the “bread of heaven” was an allusion to Christ




I have to wonder, why are Catholics so obsessed over external material? Christ took John 6 in spiritual terms – that just means MEN are liars (Romans 3:4) and that we should only trust what Christ says – Bible is sole authority for God wrote it. It is interesting to see the early writings of early believers – but not EVERYTHING they say is free from error; Polycarp (in my opinion) was the most developed in doctrine – for he accepted a gospel without works and ONLY faith for salvation.



Note: no “early Christians” were involved with Rome since it was persecuting them (killing all of God’s people). Even the moniker “ROMAN Catholic” gives it away. Flee Rome! Ignatius writes about being led to Rome: “Pray for the church which is in Syria, whence I am led a prisoner to Rome -- I who am the very last of the faithful there; according as I was counted worthy to be found unto the honour of God. Fare ye well in God the Father and in Jesus Christ our common hope.” – Ignatius of Antioch to the Ephesians, Chapter 21, 21:2

Why then is the Vatican in ROME? Revelation 17/18?



Spiritual not physical

“Why do Fundamentalists and Evangelicals reject the plain, literal interpretation of John 6? For them, Catholic sacraments are out because they imply a spiritual reality—grace—being conveyed by means of matter. This seems to them to be a violation of the divine plan. For many Protestants, matter is not to be used, but overcome or avoided.” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



Frankly I don’t reject the LITERAL and PLAIN message of John 6 – Jesus clarifies himself with LITERAL terms saying the flesh profits nothing and that his words were of spiritual meaning.

“Conveying” salvation (or spirituality – which is rather contradictory, can’t convey spirit physically) with physical means defies everything the Bible stands for.

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.” – Romans 8:2

“So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” – Romans 8:8-9

You CANNOT please God with physical things (material objects/idols) of the flesh.

“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” – John 4:23

We worship God in SPIRIT – not with material objects.

“God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;” - Acts 17:24-25

I’d say the Eucharist is a “temple” made by the hands of men (it is, after all, supposed to “house” Jesus); Christ does not dwell in our idols/temples made with hands – Catholics make us think so.

“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” – Matthew 16:17

Again, nothing revealed to Peter was of “flesh and blood” – it is all spiritual.



Christ said to brake bread in remembrance of him – not for salvation. Catholic.com would make us think non-Catholics ever do these events (I do occasionally do – however NOT for salvation but to remember I am saved by faith – it’s a reminder). I often eat unleavened bread for Passover (Matzos as it is now called, but it is increasingly harder to find) – something Catholics wouldn’t know about, in fact, they claim “Easter” is Passover – that (again) is a pagan practice from Babylon, the painting of eggs comes straight from Babylon – SURPRISE with a Dagon hat on top!

These events are for symbolism, Christ wants it fresh in our minds; sadly, the symbolism of “saved by faith” is no longer there, in fact, CHRIST isn’t even there!

They literally replaced him with a cookie... They replaced him with Peter... They replaced him with Mary... They replaced him with “saints”... They replaced him priests... Literally everything the Catholic system is reliant upon IGNORES Christ, no longer is God the mediator, no longer is God the Rock of the Church, no longer do you even PRAY to him, but rather deceased beings.

This is HORRIBLE! Woe be to those that cut off Christ’s head to replace it with something else. Would be to God that all Catholics directed [spiritual] worship DIRECTLY to Christ. They don’t mean to blaspheme God (if they really knew what they were doing), but we are also accountable for striving towards the truth and reading the TRUE meaning and doctrines behind the Bible.

Ask God – 1 John 1:9 is there when you need it.



The Pharisees/Jews did err

At this point the Jews understood him to be speaking metaphorically. Jesus first repeated what he said, then summarized: "‘I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’ The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’" (John 6:51–52). His listeners were stupefied because now they understood Jesus literally—and correctly. He again repeated his words, but with even greater emphasis, and introduced the statement about drinking his blood: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him" (John 6:53–56).” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



The whole time the congregation Christ preached to thought he was speaking literally. This is an artificial environment for an argument.

“The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” – John 6:52

The Jews stated this because they thought he was referring to physical flesh – this is correct, but Jesus repeated himself (like he did to Nicodemus in John 3) to refer to his spiritual self (of course they STILL didn’t get it, which is why Christ clarified in John 6:60-63, and then the whole congregation abandoned Christ when they understood his figurative meaning – referring himself to the Son of God: except the 12 apostles who remained faithful and believed).

When Jesus told Nicodemus “you must be born again” he thought you had to be PHSYICALLY born again from the womb – not born with the Holy Spirit.



Jesus said many things to the Jews that they took literally (when Christ meant spiritually): “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.” – John 2:20-22

Would the Catholics tell me that Christ was actually referring to the temple because the Jews took him literally? I hope not!

The last thing you want to do is trust the judgment of the Pharisees, and this is what the Catholics are doing, they tell their readers that the Pharisees were right! Well, the Pharisees mimic the very face of Catholicism today – the Pharisees had traditions (going back for years)/rituals/works salvation/long robes and clothing/fancy palaces etc – it is without doubt in my mind that Catholics trust what the Pharisees say and endorse it to top it off.



Problem of the finite wafer

“One suspects, had they been asked by the Creator their opinion of how to bring about mankind’s salvation, Fundamentalists would have advised him to adopt a different approach. How much cleaner things would be if spirit never dirtied itself with matter! But God approves of matter—he approves of it because he created it—and he approves of it so much that he comes to us under the appearances of bread and wine, just as he does in the physical form of the Incarnate Christ.” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



God stated quite clearly in Acts 17:24-25 that anything we “build” with our hands cannot house Christ. An omnipotent infinite God turning himself into a finite wafer (but the wafer still remains a wafer of course): how degenerating and illogical.

We eat food because we are finite; finity depends on barriers for maintenance – how could eating a cracker (finite) grant us salvation which is infinite and everlasting?

It can’t – Catholics place finite “barriers” (which limit us to mortality and are the OPPOSITE of salvation frankly) and expect these barriers to grant “salvation for an infinity.” However, this can only be given by GOD: for he is infinite, created everything, and has no barriers of his own.

The very notion of using “barriers” for salvation just doesn’t make sense. If we have to obtain salvation “via barrier” – then that would make salvation itself A barrier; because it wouldn’t be free (by faith), and it turns God into a monster – creating an unreliable median for salvation.

What if someone on their death bed wants to be saved? Do they have to call a priest with a bunch of crackers, a giant water bowl, and give them “last rites” to be saved?

This is unreliable and unrealistic – God is not a dictator!

HOWEVER, if people want to be judged upon their works – God will do so, and they shall burn in hell for not accepting a very simple free gift (Matthew 7:21-23), but ignorant and going to establish their OWN righteousness out of finite means thinking it accounts for infinity.

“This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” – John 6:58

Why was Christ different from the bread that “came down from heaven?” Because he was the LAMB OF GOD who died on the cross. Jesus was not talking about crackers; otherwise it would be the same as the food “that came down from heaven:” physical FINITE food that perishes.



“He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.” – John 6:56

Christ (as he clarified) was talking about him dwelling in us as spirit:

“But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” – Romans 8:11



How do we get Christ’s spirit?

“For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.” – Romans 4:3

By FAITH! Not by eating crackers that perish, that are finite, and that defy John 6:60-63.



Note: Christ was in the form of a human for a brief time (reduced by barriers such as needing food for sustenance, although when in the wilderness he was able to live without food – so Christ still had powers that we do not have); but he will NOT die again. He only gave his life ONCE.



Problem of the non-instantaneous wafer

“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” – John 1:29

Christ is the “lamb of God” – he took away the sins of the world (and no, Christ isn’t actually a lamb – just want to clarify that for Catholics).

How could he instantly give his life for the world (after he died on the cross) when Catholics must have a priest to stuff him in a wafer then physically consume him? The Bible clearly teaches that Christ gave his life for the world and anyone who believes (which is accepting the spiritual water of life, the bread of life, and the blood of life that fills YOU ONCE! Yet Catholics fill themselves over and over again) shall have salvation for an infinity. It doesn’t fit, nor does it make sense (and it shouldn’t) – you must take EVERY word/verse of John 6 in context, not reading one verse and basing your judgment on that.

God died instantly for the whole world (not to be “transformed” into a wafer), and whoever believes on him is forever saved.

See: One verse judgment



1 Corinthians 11 - explained

“Some proponents of the Eucharist argue that 1 Corinthians 11 supports transubstantiation. They refer to verse 29 that states - "For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body." A thorough read of 1 Corinthians 11, reveals that the Corinthians were not making the proper distinction between Communion and common meals. Not discerning the Lord's body meant not discerning in the bread and wine the symbols of Christ's body and blood, but partaking of them irreverently, as if it were a common feast.

It is evident that this was the leading offense of the Corinthians. Those who were eating and drinking in an unworthy manner, were getting drunk and selfishly eating before others in the body of Christ. Paul states this as the problem in verses 20 and 21. There is no indication in chapter 11 of 1 Corinthians that Paul believed in or taught transubstantiation.

What is very provocative, in verses 26 and 28 of chapter 11, is that Paul refers to the blessed bread as mere bread after it had been blessed. Paul states in verse 26 - "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes."

Additionally, if Jesus is really physically present in the Eucharist, why would Paul state that we are to celebrate the Lord's Supper "till He comes"? This would only make sense if the Lord's Supper is in memory of the finished work of Calvary. And that is exactly what Jesus ordained when He said "do this in remembrance of Me." (Luke 22:19). Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Of course, Jesus did not become a literal lamb when He died for the sins of the world, anymore than a wafer turns into the literal body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus during Communion.”

Source: http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Eucharist.html



Samaritan woman and the water of life

“...holy-water (whereby the Devil mocks the Papists)...” – King James, Daemonologie

Christ analogized himself (like he did with the blood and flesh) with water to the Samaritan woman, and the startling thing is Christ said the PHYSICAL WATER would lead people getting thirsty again!

“Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water (the physical well) shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him (Christ imputing his righteousness on you) shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.” - John 4:13-14

Notice the striking similarity to Christ saying whoever drinks of THIS water (Christ) shall never thirst again? Christ said the same thing, whoever eats of this bread shall never hunger, and whoever drinks of this blood shall never thirst.

If the Eucharist (which isn’t a loaf of bread that the original Christians used; stone ovens were used to bake loaves), how come the “water of life” isn’t included with the sacraments? Well it “MUST” be required since Christ deliberately told us to drink the water of life! See the fallacies behind the twisting of figurative phrases? Catholicism bumps into a wall whichever way they go (much like freemasonry with the “oaths”).



Wall bumpers:

*If they [Catholics] say Christ told us to literally drink his “blood” (which doesn’t actually turn into blood, it stays as wine; that alone is enough proof), Christ also tells us to “drink” the water of life – so they bump into a wall by doing one and not the other.

*Christ already clarified in John 6:60-63 that he was referring that sermon in Capernaum as spiritual and was simply figurative.



Christ says the PHYSICAL water, blood, and flesh would lead people being thirsty again because they are not spiritual. Christ IS the water, blood, and bread of life, hence people who accept him by faith never thirst or hunger – spiritually: Christ gives us a constant dose of spirituality and revival, nothing petty physical objects can bring – in fact, the gift of infinite salvation is so HUGE and breathtaking that not all the gold in the world can buy it!

“But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.” – Acts 8:20

“Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:” – 1 Peter 1:18-19

We are NOT redeemed with corruptible (finite) material objects – it is impossible no matter how much you disagree, or no matter how many arguments you try to give; the Bible states it clearly!



Meat that ye know not of

“In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.” – John 4:31-34

The meat of Christ (which Christ replied; I have meat that ye not know of) was to do the will of the Father. Again, Christ used the term “meat” figuratively, just as he did with the well water (and it all refers to spiritual events). And what is the WILL of the father?

“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” – John 6:40

Again Catholics hit the wall of “saved by faith” – Father sends his uniquely born Son to redeem us BY FAITH.



Some ways Catholics avoid these [obvious] walls is to:

#1 Be under a “papal” authority that claims to have the answers (and anyone not under this “authority” is interpreting the bible THEIR way – even if they simply restate what the Bible says, so Catholics then reject statements coming from “heretics,” even if they ARE correct – ouch!).

#2 Feed people hoaxed translations of Bibles (even then the translations are clear enough), and twist the words (or even go so far as to twist the original Greek/Hebrew)

#3 Have people study under an “official” Catholic agent (Catholic prelate) that brainwashes the student and not allowing freedom of study or questioning (much like schools that teach evolution – it’s not surprising the Jesuits created evolutionary tactics).

#4 NOT READ THE BIBLE AT ALL! “Listen to the priest – and everything will be okay.”



The Disciples at first thought the leaven of the Pharisees WAS physical and not figurative

“On other occasions when there was confusion, Christ explained just what he meant (cf. Matt. 16:5–12). Here, where any misunderstanding would be fatal, there was no effort by Jesus to correct. Instead, he repeated himself for greater emphasis.” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



“And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread. Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread. Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread? Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?” – John 16:5-10

It was the DISCIPLES who thought they had to bring physical bread (they REASONED among themselves, saying “IT WAS BECAUSE WE HAVE TAKEN NO BREAD”) but then Christ gives them a rhetorical question (very witty); “why reason ye among yourselves, because YE HAVE BROUGHT NO BREAD?”

Then it is clarified that Christ meant the doctrine of the Pharisees. Indeed it was the disciples who thought Christ meant physical bread:

“How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they (the disciples) how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.” - John 16:11-12

Then at the end of the verse, it clarifies Christ was warning of them of the DOCTRINE of the Pharisees (not the physical leaven from them), because he who doesn’t have God’s doctrine does not have God (because you are not studying correct doctrine and are LAZY – i.e. not in God’s system).

I believe Catholic.com is trying to use this as an excuse to prove Christ “backs up” his claims, well he DID! Right in John 6:60-63! God always does, he doesn’t enforce illogical statements. Furthermore, God actually never “clarified” when he called himself the “Lamb of God” - we just know from “common sense” that God isn’t a lamb, but was sacrificed AS a lamb.

“And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!” – John 1:36

Why didn’t John explain that the “Lamb of God” was figurative? Because we have common sense (God was graceful to giving us it for a reason), so we know that the “Lamb of God” is Christ and doesn’t mean an “actual” lamb.

So even if God didn’t clarify that he was referring to “spiritual” means with John 6:60-63, it should still arrive to us with “common sense.”



God WAS correcting his disciples.

“And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.” – Mark 8:15

The very leaven Christ warned us about has ended up in the Vatican – the ROMAN Catholics teach everything of Herod and the Pharisees, they bake their doctrines with Pharisee leaven. Birds of a feather flock together (and bake their doctrines with the same dough).



Catholics always thirsting and hungering for more

Christ said (in all the verses) that they would not hunger or thirst again. If this notion was indeed of physical bread, water, and wine, why do the Catholics need a constant supply of crackers and wine? (They forgot the water however, unless they plan on drinking the holy water from the bowls near the entrance).

So what did Christ truly mean?

“Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.” – John 6:34-35

If you COME to Christ, you will never hunger, if you BELIEVE on Christ, you will never thirst. No magical wafers involved.



Christ is one body with God

“And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:” – Ephesians 2:16

If transubstantiation is true, Christ’s body would be in many different fragments, which completely contradicts this verse.



The “greater emphasis” lie

“He again repeated his words, but with even greater emphasis”

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



The Catholic author keeps stressing how Christ “emphasized” eating the (spiritual) blood, flesh and water of life. In John 3 Christ is emphasizing extremely well that you must be BORN AGAIN!

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” – John 3:3

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” – John 3:5

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” – John 3:36

Why the double-standard Catholic.com?

The word “water” in John 3:5 means “to be physically born,” (it is clarified in the next verse (John 3:6) with “flesh” and “spirit).



Why no studying?

“Notice that Jesus made no attempt to soften what he said, no attempt to correct "misunderstandings," for there were none. Our Lord’s listeners understood him perfectly well. They no longer thought he was speaking metaphorically. If they had, if they mistook what he said, why no correction?” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp



The Catholics are creating an artificial environment here (to mislead the reader as usual);

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” – 2 Timothy 2:15

Catholics WILL be ashamed for their odious, sudden, and bashful statements that never have referencing. Jesus often had to keep repeating things which the “listeners” did not understand;

#1 Christ corrected the disciples when they mistook the leaven of the Pharisees for physical leaven: John 16:5-12

#2 Christ corrected the crowd that came to him for MORE physical bread (the loaves and fish that he split for them), but when he meant salvation by them believing in him: John 6:26-27

#3 Christ corrected his disciples in John 6:60-63 when his disciples mistook him for actually being a piece of bread (which they then forsook him after understanding what “the bread of life” really meant).

#4 Christ kept repeating (and trying to make Nicodemus understand) that “born again” was a spiritual birth and not that of the womb in John 3.

#5 Christ reaffirmed to Peter (in Matthew 16:17) that not blood or flesh revealed anything, but the FATHER (spiritual) which is in heaven.



Why no correction? The Bible itself is based upon [our] errors and God correcting us! That is what the BIBLE itself IS FOR!

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” – 2 Timothy 3:16

How about: “why no STUDYING?” The Catholics have the answers at their fingertips! Literally! The Vaticanus makes short work of Catholic doctrines (that’s probably why they locked it up for a few hundred years, so no one would read it – that’s what I call hiding the truth under a rock).



Imposter Loaf

Jesus when he was with his disciples used a LOAF of Bread – he broke from that single loaf and passed pieces to his disciples. Obviously the bread would have produced lots of crumbs (God told the Jews in the Old Testament to clean all the crumbs from the bread to symbolize their multitude of sins; this would have been during Passover).

The Catholics believe each crumb becomes Jesus so they stopped using the traditional loaves; which is rather anti-biblical taking away the true symbolism behind the Last Supper (obviously this would have had to been imposed way after Christ and the disciples since the traditional Jews and Christians always used loaves – especially the Jews since they hold onto strict traditions – I know because I’ve been to a few synagogues; very nice people – pray that they find Christ).

Note: It is strange how much the Catholic Church boasts for keeping “traditions” when they exclude the loaf and change it into a wafer. THAT is a huge modification from “early Christianity.”



Christ DIED ONCE!

The Catholic Catechism states:

“As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.”

“Every time this mystery is celebrated, "the work of our redemption is carried on."” [emphasis added]

“The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it "re-presents" (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross.”



This is a blatant contradiction to the Bible:

“And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;” – Hebrews 10:11-12

“Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.” – Hebrews 10:18

“For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.” – Romans 6:10

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:” – 1 Peter 3:18



Cannibalism is sinful

“But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.” – Genesis 9:4

“Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.” – Acts 15:19-20

“As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.” – Acts 21:25



If the wafer actually turned into flesh and blood (which it doesn’t, it is just a dead cracker) God would be going against his own laws. Of course the cracker never turns into flesh and blood – it stays the same because it is merely figurative in itself (which is an irony if Catholics really believe Christ was referring to physical flesh).

Catholics every day *believe* something happens to the wafer (as the priest does his hocus pocus) when it still STAYS THE SAME! The same pasty-dry wafer day-after-day that could be feeding poor children in Africa rather being gobbled by greedy priests with their golden cups, plates and monstrances.

Eating the “blood” is simply sinful and may cause health problems; it doesn’t mean you’ll go to hell (salvation isn’t by works, nor can you lose it), HOWEVER, it means (if the wine really was blood) Catholics would be sinning every time they take a sip! Sinful sipping!



He did brake the bread

“And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;” – Matthew 26:27-26

“And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.” – Luke 22:19

“And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.” – Luke 24:30

“And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.” – Mark 14:22

Christ broke the bread from the big loaf: Jesus said to break the bread! Why? Because the one loaf symbolized the Church he built (upon himself), and each fragment of the bread symbolized the believers of the Church.

So the way Christ performed the “Last Supper” was by breaking from one universal loaf and handing pieces from that loaf to each believer; not handing wafers... Using a wafer instead of a loaf of bread is like using leavened bread on Passover!



Blood of the New Testament?

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” – Matthew 26:28

“And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.” – Mark 14:24

“Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.” – Luke 22:20

“After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance (not salvation) of me.” – 1 Corinthians 11:25



Soon as Christ shed “his blood,” he has become our mediator since we are in the era of the New Testament (some people are still stuck in the Old Testament it seems):

“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.” – Hebrews 9:15

Christ paid for our sins with his death, what a wonderful saviour... I am saddened that people reject his free gift – he had to suffer innumerable amounts of pain: then has people REJECT his suffering and try to earn their OWN way into heaven? God isn’t happy; his wrath shall wax hot on those who reject him.



More poor arguments from Catholic.com

“But he did not correct these protesters. Twelve times he said he was the bread that came down from heaven; four times he said they would have "to eat my flesh and drink my blood." John 6 was an extended promise of what would be instituted at the Last Supper—and it was a promise that could not be more explicit. Or so it would seem to a Catholic. But what do Fundamentalists say?” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp

John 6:60-63 ratifies that everything Christ said about him being a piece of bread were “spiritual” – i.e. referring to HIS spirit, and not that of a piece of rotting moldy finite bread!



“Protestant attacks on the Catholic Church often focus on the Eucharist. This demonstrates that opponents of the Church—mainly Evangelicals and Fundamentalists—recognize one of Catholicism’s core doctrines. What’s more, the attacks show that Fundamentalists are not always literalists. This is seen in their interpretation of the key biblical passage, chapter six of John’s Gospel, in which Christ speaks about the sacrament that will be instituted at the Last Supper. This tract examines the last half of that chapter.” [emphasis added]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp

Of course the Eucharist is the “core” Catholic doctrine, it reverses a key element on what the Bible says: “Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.” – Hebrews 10:18

No more offering for sins (which is the KEY of the New Testament) – only faith in Christ (he was the ultimate sacrifice – the creator of the universe feeling all of the pain for every single sin); but the Catholic religion has to reverse that for it is headed by none other than Satan. Satan swaps and reverses the Bible (Satan’s sick twisted spin on Matthew 7:1-2).

See: Analysis of Satan & Demons



Satanists try to “hurt” God by torturing Eucharist wafers

“According to The New Encyclopedia of the Occult, the Black Mass is “the central rite of some traditional forms of Satanism.” It is a mockery of the Catholic Mass. During the Black Mass, a Host (consecrated bread) “is defiled in various ways.”

Source: http://www.catholicconcerns.com/Book/Chap-04.html

Satanists during a “black mass” do various torture techniques to “consecrated” Eucharist wafers thinking they are hurting the almighty, omnipotent Jesus Christ.

If the “Eucharist” isn’t a fairytale (which it is), that means Christ is constantly feeling pain by Satanists torturing Eucharists (and apparently by the Apostle Paul who threw the “blessed” bread in the sea). So his suffering on the cross wasn’t enough? He has to suffer MORE?

Rubbish and BLASPHEMY! No one can hurt God – it is impossible, Satan tries to hurt US since he cannot hurt God.



King David tops it off!

“O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.” – Psalm 34:8

King David here is using a figurative term to describe God – I can say as a reborn believer that Christ DOES taste good to my soul, I feel comforted, I feel at peace, I know I am safe and secure in the arms of my saviour.



Problems with the Eucharist:

[1] - The Eucharist is a finite physical piece of bread (it sustains our finite and mortal being), salvation is infinite; how can one obtain salvation with a finite BARRIER? Salvation is supposed to remove all barriers, in fact, it HAS no barriers!

[2] - Christ said you would never thirst or hunger again but Catholics are still thirsting and hungering.

[3] - The “water of life” is excluded from the sacraments and mimics what Christ said about the BLOOD and flesh; so they have a double-standard with their doctrines.

[4] - In Capernaum where Jesus preached, he never gave them any physical bread (he said I AM that bread; referring to his spiritual being); and in John 6:60-63 he tells his disciples that his words were SPIRITUAL and not literal. So we see that Christ never doled out any physical loaves because they were not needed for his analogy.

[5] - Christ told his disciples (when they were frightened about not bringing physical bread) that they were to avoid the leaven (doctrines) of the Pharisees, however, Christ didn’t even CARE that they forgot to bring the bread!

[6] - Christ said do this in REMEMBRANCE of me, i.e. an affectionate celebration of what the Lord did for us. To say celebrating the last supper for salvation would be to say Christmas or the Passover would be required for salvation as well.

[7] – John chapter 6 never had anything to do with the “Last Supper.” It was a sermon, not a cooking class (Catholics can whine all they want, but John 6:60-63 and there not even BEING any bread is proof enough).

[8] – Christ said he shall not dwell in temples/idols made by men’s hands; thus he couldn’t dwell in a wafer!

[9] – Paul threw bread into the sea – if it was “Christ’s body” I doubt he’d do such a thing.

[10] – Disciples of Paul broke bread in gladness and rejoiced, also eating meat with their bread – it was nothing but a symbol of rejoicing – knowing Christ died for us (a reminder, and giving God thanks for everything he has done and given us – let alone CREATING us).

[11] – Bible says consuming blood is sinful.

[12] – Christ is in ONE body with the Father – he can’t be split up into different little bodies inside wafers.

[13] – Christ only died ONCE!

[14] – Christ would be constantly feeling pain from Eucharists being tortured, bitten, crushed, etc.



“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” – Romans

Thursday, June 16, 2011

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crammasters4 weeks agoin reply to BakkByPopularDemand
I agree -- here's 3 quotes by a great BM most of the folks on this thread SAY they respect:

“No, there is plenty wrong with N8groes. They have no society. They’re robots, automatons. No minds of their own. I hate to say that about us, but it’s the truth.
They are a black body with a white brain. Like the monster Frankenstein.

The top part is your bourgeois N8gro. He’s your integrator. He’s not interested in his poor black brothers. He’s usually so deep in debt from trying to copy the white man’s social habits that he doesn’t have time to worry about nothing else. They buy the most expensive clothes and cars and eat the cheapest food. They act more like the white man than the white man does himself.”

“There was two kinds of slaves ... the house N8gro and the field N8gro. The house N8groes – they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good ‘cause they ate his food -- what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved their master
more than the master loved himself.

If the master’s house caught on fire, the house N8gro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house N8gro would say, “What’s the matter, boss, we sick?”

He identified himself with his master more than his master identified with himself. In those days he was called a ‘house n8gger.” And...we’ve still got some house n8ggers running around here.”

“Now, you integration-minded N8groes are trying to force yourselves on your former slave master, trying to make him accept you in his drawing room; you want to hang out with his women rather than the women of your own kind....

Because only a man who is ashamed of what he is will marry out of his race. There has to be something wrong when a man or woman leaves his own people and marries somebody of another kind. Men who are proud of being black marry black women;
women who are proud of being black marry black men.

This is particularly true when you realize that these N8groes who go for integration and intermarriage are linking up with the very people who lynched their fathers, raped their mothers, and put their kid sisters in the kitchen to scrub floors.”

-- Malcolm X being interviewed by Louis Lomax (1963)
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Are you aware that after emancipation many blacks who were already free men at the time, owned their own land, but laws where passed to stop us owning any land, what little the blacks had was taken away from them as it was now illegal for them to own anything!

Many black areas were popping up throughout America where blacks were becoming economically stable, and the black money circulated black communities for months, do you know what happened to these areas?... Many were destroyed by white racist mobs, companies that were doing ok were "bought" out and moved from within the community, this forced many working black men to face redundancies.

Blacks were once, organising themselves into a "nationalist movement" which promoted black businesses, self reliance and also self governance of their own communities, do you know what happened to the movement?... The CIA/FBI destroyed it and labeled it a threat... They then flooded those areas with drugs to keep them from making any organised demands.

Many of our black leaders who could direct our communities were neutralised (locked-up, discredited or some killed off) by FBI/CIA agents who saw them as a threat, all this is documented!

Most attempts by blacks to build their own economy is usually destroyed very quickly before it gains any momentum, remember "Black wall street"?...
-The Revolutionist
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 hear what you are saying, but remember, white Governments will do, and have done, "EVERYTHING" in their power to stop you from being a self reliant community, so if you are not proud of your people because of economics then white supremacy has killed your spirit!... You are not economically strong in America because "black social mobility" is not welcome there... Don't let that stop you from being proud of your peoples achievements so far!

"Economical prowess" does not make a people great, it makes them wealthy, there is a difference. What makes people great is how they handle adversities, how they pull through, their fight, and spirit not being crushed by their trials and tribulations (strength of character and resilience), "economical power" doesn't last forever, it comes and goes, as with the fall of "Rome" and "Egypt" being good examples...

This is how whites measure success, as far as they are concerned they are the "economical powers" of the world which makes them great, however, unfortunately for them, they had to kill Millions and Millions of people, steal Billions of acres of land, enslave and butcher Millions and Millions of people, become the largest polluters of Earth, they even kill animals for fun, plus, they use many dirty tricks and international "poli-trics" to keep themselves rich...

Would you say the above race sounds great?... Don't judge your success against theirs, they murdered and stole to have their success and will have to pay for it at some point, Karma is a bit*h and none of us can escape it...

Resorting to murder and theft to achieve greatness, is actually the biggest failure of all.
Our race has overcome much more than they ever could, this makes us a strong people!... Economical prowess will come in it's own time!
Errrrr, it looks like the western financial situation, coupled with a declining white birth rate is imploding in on themselves, the black community is doing far better than it was 100 years ago, and nobody with a brain can honestly deny this.

Also: birthdays, religious celebrations, D-day, thanks-giving, halloween, Bonfire night, independence day and many Million other celebrations are linked to the remembrance of the past, why am I not allowed to look into my past and deal with issues that are "CLEARLY" unresolved?...

If the past is affecting your present, there is no way to get away from it... I have heard many white people telling blacks that we should not look into the past, and should move on, then they turn around and remind us that our fore-parents were slaves at every opportunity possible...LOL.

So we blacks must forget our past, but whites are allowed to remember it and use it as a racist whip for us for eternity!...No thanks, my past is as important as my present and future, just like yours is to you that you celebrate and remember every year!
-The Revolutionist
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LOL...I've got to post this again....see these lackey negroes and white supremacists would rather drown the thread with manipulation in order to hide this....lol

"The truth of the matter of all this, is that now amerikkka has doomed itself based on its racist system, and with the purposeful attack on the african and latino communities with this sub-prime mortgage mess, they've seen their economy backfire and continue to spiral out of control! LOL....

This is why bush and obama have to keep bailing out these companies everywhere, and why it continues to not work really, lol....its too late, this was their last trick, and it backfired on them, now every institution needs a bailout of the very money they can induce out of the low class/middle class tax payer, and then has them Printing more money, than they should, and push them to the stimulus theory....lol....you can't stimulate a dying system, unless you leech off the very people you've been leeching off in order to save it....LOL!

This in itself causes the very social fabric to capitulate as well.....now the debt has gone up to 1 trillion last week....and you think that yellow man over there in China whome amerikkka has tried to oppress, bully and isolate with the same system that is dying, will continue to save your azzes!!"

And again guess where the origination of your destruction started.....ahhhh yes.....

Your greedy ambitions of profiting off the african community!

Talk about karma!!

hahahahaha!!

BAPF!!

-216 Elite

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Sometimes the tool ocmes to have a life and force of its own, not unlike the force of alienated labor Marx examines in his early philosophical works.
Modern racism almost certainly would not have come into existence without the new demands for cheap labor under early capitalism. We need not go into the often researched genealogy of racism. But once it exists it takes on a certain life and power of its own.
This is why a notion of racism as mere prejudice, or even just racial hostility turns out to be superficiaL.
In some capitalist societies, racism becomes part of the stratification of society itself.There is racial stratification which is intimately linked with class stratification.
It is perhaps not a mere coincidence that both racial and class inequalities in wealth are happening AT THE SAME TIME.
What's of interest when we look at the AA community is that INTERNAL CLASS division of wealth is increasing as it is in the whole world. And yet, RACIAL wealth gap is increasing between Black and white America.(Some say that this resembles the increasing wealth gap between southern and northern hemisphere nations--while each nonetheless suffer INTERNAL growing class gap)
In South Africa, some revolutionaries even spoke of this system and process of stratification as "racial capitalism."
I don't know that racism is accompanies capitalism. But where racism was very early part of the FOUNDATION of the society, as it clearly was here and in South AFrica, the class seems to itself be largely racialized. Race is not simply reducible to class as some orthdox Marxists believe, nor is class reducible to race or racism as some confused narrow nationalist believe.
If you're relegated to the lowest orders of society you will be poor, and suffer all the ills of poverty. That's true of anybody regardless of race. But the lowest classes are disporportionately Black and Brown, and this is no mere coincidence (nor due to intellectual inferiority as racists like Bozino believes)
Racial inequalities were institutionalized in the class system itself beginning in the 1600s, and is now so deeply entrenched that even civil rights victories (essential as they were and are) could not simply eradicate it. Moreover, the inequality doesn't require any longer de jure segregation and other forms of legalized apartheid. It probably doesn't even require personal racial prejudices and hatreds, though these do help perpetuate the system.
Simply allowing the system to function as it normally does is enough.
The question of how to overcome this race/class divide sufficiently to build solidarity among all the dispossessed has been the big issue--at times almost a mystery--which progressive people from every walk of life have had to face.
This is what Dr. King and Cesar Chavez were trying to figure out. This is what the Black Panther Party was trying to figure out.
This is what we still must figure out, at least make some progress in achieving, lest the fascist impose their own solution--'final solution"?.....This must not be!!! Death to racism ane very form of exploitation and oppression!

-Savant
 
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crammasters5 months ago
@ ALL

for those who think "things have changed" for black folks google
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Neo-slavery in the American South
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I can't post the link or this post will never show up
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here's an excerpt:
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Though called by other names, poor Blacks are kept in bondage today in the United States.

Nearly 150 years after Emancipation, trapped by extreme poverty, isolation, fear and shame, some Blacks remain victims of neo-slavery in rural areas of the South, locked into work in fields, factories and assorted industries.

While not bought and sold at auction block, these poor Blacks are forced to work, live in shacks, often have no indoor plumbing and are often trapped in peonage, tied to land where they owe owners debts that are never repaid, according to an activist and researcher. Some Blacks are even forced to pay rent to White landowners for dilapidated housing but are fearful of identifying landlords and owners.

“Slavery never ended and that's the point, it never ended. It just disguised itself in other forms,” says Antoinette Harrell, who is based in Louisiana and has documented the plight of people she describes as modern slaves in America.
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now this article was written in 2010, NOT 1910, so it seems that either it's one of two things:
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1) either we do NOT KNOW what is happening to other black folk in this country, or
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2) we do not care what happens to other black folk as long as it's not happening to us
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what i do know is we better wake up, and see what fate is in store for MORE of us, as the economy tanks, jobs disappear, and black poverty continues to rise, and I GUARANTEE YOU, all the IR sex is the world is NOT going to save a single black a___...

Sunday, May 22, 2011

Steve Lefemine on the Civil War

150th Anniversary of War Between Americans, 1861-1865:
God's Righteous Judgment upon both North and South for National Sin
of Unbiblical American Slavery - over 600,000 Americans died - Part 21(a)(b)(c)(d)(e)
North Carolina Secession Convention unanimously passed Ordinance of Secession - May 20, 1861; Kentucky
declares its neutrality
in the War Between The States - May 20, 1861; Missouri
declares its neutrality in the War Between The States - May 21, 1861;Confederate States of America (CSA) Congress votes to move its capital from Montgomery to Richmond - May 21, 1861; Virginia Voter Referendum Ratifies Secession May 23, 1861.

Part 21(a) - North Carolina Secession Convention, meeting in Raleigh, voted unanimously to pass Ordinance of Secession
- May 20, 1861
Part 21(b) - Governor of
Kentucky declares its neutrality in the War Between The States (War Between Americans) - May 20, 1861
Part 21(c) -
Missouri declares its neutrality in the War Between The States (War Between Americans) - May 21, 1861
Part 21(d) -
Confederate States of America (CSA) Congress votes to move its capital from Montgomery to Richmond - May 21, 1861
Part 21(e) -
Virginia Voter Referendum Ratifies (132,201 to 37,451) Secession vote of April 17 Secession Convention - May 23, 1861
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Resources: 1) North Carolina in the American Civil War - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_in_the_Civil_War
2) North Carolina Ordinance Of Secession - www.civil-war.net/pages/ordinances_secession.asp
3) Ordinance of Secession of North Carolina - http://www.csawardept.com/documents/secession/NC/index.html
4) Civil War Timeline / Chronology for May 1861 - http://blueandgraytrail.com/year/186105
5) Confederate Order of Secession - http://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Confederate_Order_of_Secession
6) One Hundred Fifty Years Ago Today - War Between the States Sesquicentennial Calendar - http://wbts-calendar.blogspot.com/ - May 20, 1861
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Ordinance of Secession
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_of_Secession
State Passed Referendum VoteS. Carolina December 20, 1860. [1]
Mississippi January 9, 1861.[2]
Florida January 10, 1861.[3]
Alabama January 11, 1861.[4]
Georgia January 19, 1861.[5]
Louisiana January 26, 1861.[6]
Texas February 1, 1861.[7] February 23 46,153 - 14,747
Virginia April 17, 1861.[8] May 23 132,201 - 37,451
Arkansas May 6, 1861.[9]
Tennessee May 6, 1861.[10] June 8 104,471 - 47,183
N. Carolina May 20, 1861.[11]
Missouri October 31, 1861.[12]
Kentucky November 20, 1861.[13]


Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas also issued separate declarations of causes,
in which they explained their reasons for secession.
American Civil War
Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union
Texts of the Ordinances - http://web.archive.org/web/20040404171724/members.aol.com/jfepperson/ordnces.html
Texts of declarations of causes - http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html
Florida's Ordinance of Secession Text and original document from the State Archives of Florida.
South Carolina's Ordinance of Secession Text and original document from the South Carolina Department of Archives and History.

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Part 21(a) - North Carolina Secession Convention, meeting in Raleigh, voted unanimously to pass Ordinance of Secession
- May 20, 1861

North Carolina Ordinance Of Secession
www.civil-war.net/pages/ordinances_secession.asp
[ emphasis added ]

North Carolina
AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of North Carolina and the other States united with her, under the compact
of government entitled "The Constitution of the United States."

We, the people of the State of North Carolina in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained,
That the ordinance adopted by the State of North Carolina in the convention of 1789, whereby the Constitution of the United States
was ratified and adopted, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly ratifying and adopting amendments to the said
Constitution, are hereby repealed, rescinded, and abrogated.

We do further declare and ordain, That the union now subsisting between the State of North Carolina and the other States,
under the title of the United States of America, is hereby dissolved, and that the State of North Carolina is in full possession
and exercise of all those rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State.

Done in convention at the city of Raleigh, this the 20th day of May, in the year of our Lord 1861, and in the eighty-fifth year
of the independence of said State.
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North Carolina in the American Civil War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_in_the_Civil_War" ... North Carolina did not secede until May 20, 1861, after the fall of Fort Sumter and the secession of the Upper South's bellwether, Virginia.
North Carolina was the last state to secede from the Union, leaving thirteen days after Tennessee ."


Ordinance of Secession of North Carolina http://www.csawardept.com/documents/secession/NC/index.html(Unanimously adopted in the State Capitol at Raleigh on 20 May 1861.)
Includes list of North Carolina Secession Convention officers and delegates


Civil War Timeline / Chronology for May 1861http://blueandgraytrail.com/year/186105May 20, 1861 Delegates to the North Carolina Secession Convention vote to withdraw from the Union
Confederate Order of Secession
North Carolina Ordinance of Secession


Confederate Order of Secessionhttp://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Confederate_Order_of_SecessionMay 20, 1861 Delegates to the North Carolina Secession Convention vote to withdraw from the Union
North Carolina
North Carolina Ordinance of Secession


NC State Capitol in 1861
http://wbts-calendar.blogspot.com/ [ May 20, 2011 ]Emacs!


One Hundred Fifty Years Ago Today - War Between the States Sesquicentennial Calendarhttp://wbts-calendar.blogspot.com/North Carolina secedes - May 20, 1861
- In Raleigh, North Carolina, delegates to a State Secession Convention convene at 11AM in the southern wing of the State Capitol
on the anniversary of the 1775 Mecklenburg Declaration of Independence. The Lincoln regime has already committed an act of war
against the state by blockading its coast. Little was left to discuss. Debate ends at 6 o'clock p.m. when the convention adopts an
Ordinance of Secession by unanimous vote, becoming the eleventh state to leave the Union.


Seven Score and Ten - The Civil War Sesquicentennial Day by Dayhttp://gathkinsons.net/sesqui/?p=
May 20, 1861: North Carolina secedes – but doesn’t revolt
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Part 21(b) - Kentucky declares its neutrality in the War Between The States (War Between Americans) - May 20, 1861
May 17, 1861: Kentucky won’t secede
http://gathkinsons.net/sesqui/"The border state of Kentucky was vital to the Union, and the election of delegates to its convention went well for the Union’s interests."


UNION TRIUMPH IN KENTUCKY.Published: May 18, 1861
http://www.nytimes.com/1861/05/18/news/union-triumph-in-kentucky.html?scp=12&sq=may+18%2C+1861&st=p
"The official vote in eighty-nine counties for the Union Delegates to the Border State Convention is 98,561. Eighteen counties are yet to be heard from.
The aggregate Presidential vote in November was 146,216."
"The House also passed resolutions that Kentucky should maintain a strict neutrality during the present contest, and approving of Gov. MAGOFFIN's refusal,
under existing circumstances, to furnish troops to the Federal Government."


Civil War Timeline / Chronology for May 1861http://blueandgraytrail.com/year/186105May 20, 1861 Kentucky declares its neutrality in the War Between The States
Confederate Order of Secession


Confederate Order of Secessionhttp://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Confederate_Order_of_SecessionMay 20, 1861 Kentucky declares its neutrality in the War Between The States


Kentucky in the American Civil Warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_in_the_Civil_War
"Kentucky, being a border state, was among the chief places where the " Brother against brother" scenario was prevalent. Kentucky was officially neutral
at the beginning of the war, but after a failed attempt by Confederate General Leonidas Polk to take the state of Kentucky for the Confederacy, the legislature
petitioned the Union for assistance, and thereafter became solidly under union control."


One Hundred Fifty Years Ago Today - War Between the States Sesquicentennial Calendarhttp://wbts-calendar.blogspot.com/May 20, 1861
- Governor Magoffin proclaims the neutrality of Kentucky in the coming War.


KENTUCKY NEUTRALITY IN 1861http://www.jstor.org/pss/1886256 ________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________

Part 21(c) - Missouri declares its neutrality in the War Between The States (War Between Americans) - May 21, 1861
Confederate Order of Secession
http://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Confederate_Order_of_SecessionMay 21, 1861 Missouri declares its neutrality in the Civil War
Confederate Order of Secession


Missouri in the American Civil Warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_in_the_American_Civil_War
"By 1860, Missouri's initial southern settlers had been supplanted with a more diversified non-slave holding population, including many northerners,
German and Irish immigrants. With war seeming inevitable, Missouri thought it could stay out of the conflict by remaining in the Union, but staying neutral ­
not giving men or supplies to either side and pledging to fight troops from either side who entered the state. The policy was first put forth in 1860 by outgoing
Governor Robert Marcellus Stewart, who had Northern leanings. It was reaffirmed by incoming Governor Claiborne Jackson, who had Southern leanings.
A Constitutional Convention to discuss secession was convened with Sterling Price presiding. The delegates voted to stay in the Union and supported
the neutrality position."


Price-Harney Truce in St. Louis [ Missouri ]http://wbts-calendar.blogspot.com/
[ emphasis added ]

"In St. Louis, Missouri, US Brigadier General William S. Harney and Major General Sterling Price of the new Missouri State Guard
meet and sign the Price-Harney Truce putting the Federal military in charge of St. Louis, and leaving state forces to control the rest
of Missouri. In return, Missouri will declare neutrality in the War. Missouri unionists consider the agreement a capitulation to
Governor Claiborne F. Jackson and the secessionists."


Seven Score and Ten - The Civil War Sesquicentennial Day by Dayhttp://gathkinsons.net/sesqui/
May 21, 1861: The Price-Harney Truce

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Part 21(d) - Confederate States of America (CSA) Congress votes to move its capital from Montgomery to Richmond
- May 21, 1861
Confederate Order of Secession
http://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Confederate_Order_of_SecessionMay 21, 1861 Confederate Congress votes to move its capital from Montgomery to Richmond
Richmond, Virginia


Virginia Capitol to host Confederate Congress
http://wbts-calendar.blogspot.com/Emacs!


Capital moves to Richmondhttp://wbts-calendar.blogspot.com/
"Following a May 11 vote by states 5-3 to move the capital to Richmond, Virginia, Confederate Congress today votes
to move the Confederacy’s capital to Richmond, Virginia, and President Jefferson Davis signs an act ordering payment
into the cash-strapped Confederate treasury of all monies owed to Northern creditors. The second Congressional session
adjourns in Montgomery, Alabama, to reconvene in Richmond."

"At Hampton Roads, Virginia, across from Union-controlled Fortress Monroe, the USS Monticello in its efforts to blockade
the Chesapeake Bay, again fires two shots at the Sewall’s Point battery but draws off when Georgia troops manning the
battery returns fire with a Georgia flag flying and under command of Captain Peyton H. Colquitt."

"Meanwhile at Washington, D.C., 11,000 Union troops cross the Potomac River to invade Virginia Soil with a goal to seize Alexandria, Virginia."

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Part 21(e) - Virginia Voter Referendum Ratifies (132,201 to 37,451) Secession vote of April 17 Secession Convention - May 23, 1861
Confederate Order of Secession
http://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Confederate_Order_of_SecessionMay 23, 1861 Virginia ratifies the Secessionist Convention referendum by a vote of 132,201 to 37,451
Confederate Order of Secession
Virginia Secession Convention


Virginia in the American Civil Warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_in_the_Civil_War
[ hyperlink footnote deleted ]
[ emphasis added ]
"The Commonwealth of Virginia was a prominent part of the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War. The convention called to act for the
state during the secession crisis opened on February 13, 1861, after seven seceding states had formed the Confederacy on [ CCL: February 8]. Unionist delegates
dominated the convention and defeated a motion to secede on April 4. The convention deliberated for several months, but on April 15 President Abraham Lincoln
called for troops from all states still in the Union in response to the Confederate capture of Fort Sumter. On April 17, the Virginia convention voted to secede.
With the entry of Virginia into the Confederacy, a decision was made in May to move the Confederate capital from Montgomery, Alabama, to Richmond,
in part because the defense of Virginia's capital was deemed strategically vital to the Confederacy's survival regardless of its political status. Virginians ratified
the articles of secession on May 23.
The following day, the Union army moved into northern Virginia and captured Alexandria without a fight."

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Civil War Timeline / Chronology for May 1861
http://blueandgraytrail.com/year/186105

Civil War Timeline / Chronology for 1861http://blueandgraytrail.com/year/1861
American Civil Warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
THE CIVIL WAR: States Which Secededhttp://www.upa.pdx.edu/IMS/currentprojects/TAHv3/Content/PDFs/Civil_War_Secessions.pdf
Ordinances of Secessionhttp://www.constitution.org/csa/ordinances_secession.htm

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Battle of Fort Sumterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Sumter#Surrender
[ emphasis added ] "The bombardment of Fort Sumter was the first military action of the American Civil War. Following the surrender, Northerners rallied behind
Lincoln's call for all of the states to send troops to recapture the forts and preserve the Union. With the scale of the rebellion apparently small so far,
Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers for 90 days. This call triggered the secession of four additional states to join the Confederacy."


Tennessee in the American Civil Warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_in_the_American_Civil_WarReaction to the attack on Fort Sumter
With the attack on Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, followed by President Abraham Lincoln’s (February 12, 1809-April 14, 1865) call for 75,000 volunteers
to put the seceded states back into line, public sentiment turned dramatically against the Union.

Historian Daniel Crofts thus reports:
Unionists of all descriptions, both those who became Confederates and those who did not, considered the proclamation calling for seventy-five
thousand troops "disastrous." Having consulted personally with Lincoln in March, Congressman Horace Maynard, the unconditional Unionist and
future Republican from East Tennessee, felt assured that the administration would pursue a peaceful policy. Soon after April 15, a dismayed
Maynard reported that "the President's extraordinary proclamation" had unleashed "a tornado of excitement that seems likely to sweep us all away."
Men who had "heretofore been cool, firm and Union loving" had become "perfectly wild" and were "aroused to a frenzy of passion." For what purpose,
they asked, could such an army be wanted "but to invade, overrun and subjugate the Southern states." The growing war spirit in the North further
convinced southerners that they would have to "fight for our hearthstones and the security of home."
Governor Isham Harris began military mobilization, submitted an ordinance of secession to the General Assembly, and made direct overtures to the Confederate government.

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At the time of the Confederate firing on Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, the Confederate States of America (CSA) consisted of seven slave States:
South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. Eight slave States had not joined the CSA by April 12, 1861:
Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland,
and Delaware. Lincoln's call for militia from all the States caused
four more slave States to secede: Virginia (April 17 / May 23 referendum, 1861), Arkansas (May 6, 1861), Tennessee (May 6 / June 8 referendum, 1861), and North Carolina (May 20, 1861). Thus the final composition of the Confederate States of America consisted of "only eleven of the fifteen states in which
slavery was lawful." [America Past and Present ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_of_Secession
www.csawardept.com/documents/secession/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_in_the_American_Civil_War
www.civil-war.net/pages/ordinances_secession.asp
United States History, by Ruth Gavian & William Hamm, Revised by Frank Freidel, 1965, pp. 371, 372.
America Past and Present, Volume One to 1877, by Divine, Breen, Fredrickson, Williams, 1987, pp. 421, 422.
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The Confederate States of America


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http://www.pbs.org/civilwar/war/maps/map1_large.html
Stats:
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Union Statistics:2.9 million men served
1.5 million enlisted - 3 years duration

630,000 casualties
360,000 killed in action or died of disease

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Confederate Statistics:1.2 million men served
800,000 enslited – 3 years duration

340,000 casualties
250,000 killed in action or died of disease

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Battle of Fort Sumter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Sumter
[ emphasis added; hyperlink superscript footnotes deleted below, available online ]
The Battle of Fort Sumter (April 12–13, 1861) was the bombardment and surrender of Fort Sumter, near Charleston, South Carolina, that started
the American Civil War.


continued...

Following the battle, there was widespread support from both North and South for further military action. Lincoln's immediate call for 75,000 volunteers
to suppress the rebellion caused an additional four states to secede and join the Confederacy. The Civil War had begun.
continued...

Aftermath

The bombardment of Fort Sumter was the first military action of the American Civil War.
Following the surrender, Northerners rallied behind
Lincoln's call for all of the states to send troops to recapture the forts and preserve the Union. With the scale of the rebellion apparently small so far,
Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers for 90 days. This call triggered the secession of four additional states to join the Confederacy. The
ensuing war lasted four years, effectively ending in April 1865, with the surrender of General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

continued...

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The American Nation, A History of the United States, by John Garraty with Robert McCaughey, 1991, p. 416.
[ emphasis added ]
"The attack [ CCL: by Confederate batteries on Fort Sumter ] precipitated an outburst of patriotic indignation in the North. Lincoln issued a call for
75,000 volunteers, and this caused Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, and Tennessee to secede. After years of crisis and compromises, the nation
chose to settle the great quarrel between the sections by force of arms."

"Southerners considered Lincoln's call for troops an act of naked aggression. When the first Union regiment tried to pass through Baltimore in
mid-April, it was attacked by a mob. The prosouthern chief of police telegraphed the Maryland state's attorney general: "Streets red with blood. Send ...
for the riflemen to come, without delay. Fresh hordes will be down on us to-morrow." The chief and the mayor of Baltimore then ordered the railroad bridges
connecting Baltimore with the northern states destroyed. Order was not restored until Union troops occupied key points in the city."

"The southerners were seeking to exercise what a later generation would call the right of self-determination. How, they asked, could the North square
its professed belief in democracy with its refusal to permit the southern states to leave the Union when a majority of their citizens wished to do so ?"


[ CCL Note: Perhaps if President Lincoln had welcomed the separation of 11 slave-holding Southern States of the Confederate States of America (CSA),
instead of calling for troops to stop them, the remaining States of the United States of America could have come closer to accomplishing
what the nation's founding father's failed over 70 years earlier to do: bring an end to unbiblical slavery in America. However it was not to be so,
the War Between Americans, 1861-1865 was God's Righteous Judgment upon both North and South for National Sin of Unbiblical American Slavery. ]


"Lincoln took the position that secession was a rejection of democracy. If the South could refuse to abide by the result of an election in which it had
freely participated, then everything that monarchists and other conservatives had said about the instability of republican governments would be proved true.
"The central idea of secession is the essence of anarchy," he said. The United States must "demonstrate to the world" that "when ballots have been
fairly and constitutionally decided, there can be no successful appeal except to ballots themselves, at succeeding elections."


[ CCL Note: The July 4, 1776 Declaration of Independence asserted political separation is essentially as an unalienable right: "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another
and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,
a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
www.ushistory.org/DECLARATION/document/index.htm
What was needed then in 1860, and what remains a need today, is an amendment to the U.S. Constitution not only recognizing the principle of unalienable
political separation expressed in the Declaration of Independence, but establishing the practical mechanism for this to be accomplished. Had such an
amendment and mechanism been in place in 1860, perhaps the War Between Americans involving all the States could have been averted. (?). Again,
what is needed today, now, is a constitutional amendment establishing the mechanism for any one of the current 50 States to be able to SEPARATE
from the Federal Union. ]

"This was the proper ground to take, both morally and politically." [ CCL: disagree - President Lincoln could have instead welcomed the separation of the CSA. ]
"A war against slavery would not have been supported by a majority of northerners. Slavery was the root cause of secession but not of the North's determination
to resist secession, which resulted from the people's commitment to the Union.
[ CCL: true, well said. ] Although abolition was to be one of the major results
of the Civil War, the war was fought for nationalistic reasons, not to destroy slavery.


[ CCL Note: In the minds of the human actors, at the beginning of the war, yes. However, God's purpose was different, as President Abraham Lincoln came to begin
to realize later. The Emancipation Proclamation was announced September 22, 1862, and then issued effective January 1, 1863. Lincoln's words indicate
he got saved and became a born-again Christian at the time of the dedication of the National Cemetery at the Gettysburg Battlefield (Nov. 1863) "when I ...
saw the graves of thousands of our soldiers, I then and there, consecrated myself to Christ. Yes, I do love Jesus."
(The Big Betrayal, p. 56.) ]

"Lincoln made this plain when he wrote [ CCL: August 22, 1862 ] in response to an August 19, 1862 editorial by [ CCL: New York Tribune abolitionist ] Horace Greeley
urging complete emancipation: "I would save the Union .... If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing
all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.
He added, however, "I intend no modification
of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men, everywhere, could be free."
"
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CCL Note: President Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery, believing blacks were entitled to the enjoyment of the same basic Creator-endowed, unalienable rights
listed in the Declaration of Independence of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, as whites, however he did not believe blacks were due political and social
equality with whites. Lincoln took the position as President that he would not interfere with slavery where it existed, but he (as did the newly formed "third party"
in 1854, the modern Republican Party) sought to prevent the expansion of slavery westward into the U.S. territories. Lincoln then was not an abolitionist,
but was against slavery's expansion. He had wanted to "regulate" slavery, limiting it to where it already existed. However God had other plans. God's intent
was that this abominable practice be brought to an end. President Lincoln's deeper understanding of God's purpose in ENDING UNBIBLICAL AMERICAN SLAVERY in the "terrible war" that God gave to "both North and South" is seen in the words of Lincoln's March 4, 1865 Second Inaugural Address, given just over a month
before General Lee's surrender at Appomattox, VA on April 9, 1865, and before Lincoln's own death on April 15, 1865 after being shot by Confederate and
Roman Catholic (and tool of Pope Pius IX and the Jesuits - The Big Betrayal, p. 59 ), John Wilkes Booth, on April 14, 1865.

Resources: 1) "The Lincoln-Douglas Debates", Ottawa, Illinois, August 21, 1858 in The Annals of America, Volume 9, 1858-1865, The Crisis of the Union, pp. 11, 12.

2) President Ronald Reagan re-established full diplomatic relations with the Vatican in 1984, for the first time in 117 years, since 1867,
after Roman Catholic / Jesuit involvement in the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln in April 1865:
- Two years after President Lincoln's assassination, the United States Congress broke off diplomatic relations with the Vatican/Pope:
"Beginning in [ 1867 ],... Congress ... prohibited the financing of any diplomatic post to the Papal authority."

- Timeline 1984 - "Jan 10, The United States and the Vatican established full diplomatic relations for the first time in 117 years."

- New World Order advocate President George H.W. Bush (YouTube - 0:33, Views - 344,668) said New World Order was helped
during President Reagan's time in office. (YouTube - 1:26, Views - 35,585)

- George H.W. Bush was a CFR -member, a CFR director, and a member of the Trilateral Commission
BEFORE he was picked by " Vatican-friendly" Ronald Reagan to be his vice presidential running mate in 1980:

3) See also "50 Years in the "Church" of Rome," by former Roman Catholic priest, Charles Chiniquy, Table of Contents, Chapters 51, 53, 54
("Rome the implacable enemy of the United States") 55 & 56. ]

"Then said Jesus ... ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."John 8:32, KJV
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CCL Note:
The comparison with the modern issue in America of child-murder-by-"abortion" is profound. There are those pro-lifers who wish to establish
the legal "Personhood" of the unborn to END the wicked practice now, and there are those who are supportive of incremental, child-murder/"abortion"
"regulation" legislation. Regulating slavery did not work, and neither has the last 20 years or so of regulating child-murder-by-"abortion".
God's requirement for murder is JUSTICE, not "regulation.
The answer to END, not just "regulate" America's greatest moral crime in 2011, is to PASS PERSONHOOD NOW ! ]

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America Past and Present, Volume One to 1877, by Divine, Breen, Fredrickson, Williams, 1987, pp. 421, 422.
[ emphasis added ]
"On April 15, Lincoln proclaimed that an insurrection existed in the Deep South and called upon the militia of the loyal states to provide seventy-five thousand
troops for short-term service to put it down. Two days later, a sitting Virginia convention, which had earlier rejected secession, reversed itself and voted to join the
Confederacy. Within the next five weeks, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina followed suit. These slave states of the upper South had been
unwilling to secede just because Lincoln was elected, but when he called upon them to provide troops to "coerce" other southern states, they had to choose sides.
Believing that secession was a constitutional right, they were quick to cut their ties with a government that opted for the use of force to maintain the Union and
called on them to join in that effort."
"In the North, the firing on Sumter evoked strong feelings of patriotism and dedication to the Union." ...continued... "By firing on the flag, the Confederacy united
the North. Everyone assumed that the war would be short and not very bloody. It remained to be seen whether Unionist fervor could be sustained through a long and
costly struggle."
"The entire Confederacy, which now moved its capital from Montgomery to Richmond, Virginia, contained only eleven of the fifteen states in which
slavery was lawful. In the border slave states of Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri, secession was thwarted by a combination of local Unionism
and federal intervention."
continued...

"Hence the Civil War was not, strictly speaking, a struggle between slave and free states." ... continued ... "Although concern about the future of slavery had driven
the Deep South to secede in the first place, the actual lineup of states and supporters meant that the two sides would define the war less as a struggle over slavery
than as a contest to determine whether the Union was indivisible."

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United States History: Heritage of Freedom, in Christian Perspective, by Lowman, Thompson, Grussendorf, 1996, p. 289, 290.
(A Beka Book, A Christian textbook ministry of Pensacola Christian College, Pensacola, Florida)
[ selected emphasis added ]
Reaction to Conflict The North rises to preserve the Union."President Lincoln had maintained that the Constitution of the United States was a permanent, binding contract and that therefore the states could not secede
from the Union. News of the siege of Fort Sumter rallied the North behind him. The people of the North, regardless of political affiliation, rose to support the Union."
...continued ...

"From the beginning of the conflict, Lincoln was careful not to breed unnecessary hostility between North and South. Rather than declaring war on the Southern
states, he simply handled the situation as an insurrection of certain radical groups. On April 15, he called for 75,000 volunteer militiamen for three months' service to
put down "combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings." His request was met with enthusiastic response."
The South rises to preserve states' rights. "Many Southerners believed that the U.S. Constitution was a compact entered into voluntarily by the individual states. They concluded that since the states had
voluntarily entered the Union, they could voluntarily leave the Union. The Southern states said they were fighting not to preserve the institution of slavery but to
preserve states' rights."
More border states secede.
"Lincoln's call for invasion forces led to the secession of four border states from the Union. Virginia seceded almost immediately, bringing the Confederacy
dangerously close to Washington. [ CCL: By the beginning of June ], Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina had seceded as well. However, many citizens
in these states continued to hold strong Union sentiments. The sentiment in northwestern Virginia was so strong that several counties separated from the state.
In 1863, these counties were admitted to the Union as the state of West Virginia."
"The remaining four border states - Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Delaware - waited to see what course the conflict would take. They preferred to
remain within the Union, but if the conflict became a war to destroy slavery, they would probably secede. President Lincoln handled the situation tactfully, and
these four states remained loyal to the Union throughout the war. However, sentiment in these states was sharply divided. Many men from the border states
fought for the Union, but many also joined the Confederacy. In many cases, brother took up arms against brother."

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United States History, by Ruth Gavian & William Hamm, Revised by Frank Freidel, 1965, pp. 370-372.
[ selected emphasis added ]
Both sides call for volunteers.
"On April 14, 1861, when the news from Charleston flashed through the North, the people seemed to forget all their differences in a cry for revenge.
The next day Lincoln issued a call for volunteers to put down what he called the "insurrection." Men responded quickly and in greater numbers than
the President asked. Jefferson Davis also called for volunteers, and thousands rushed to the Confederate colors. The "irrepressible conflict" had come."

Four more states leave the Union.
"Up to this time eight slave states in the upper South had not seceded. In each of them two parties were struggling for control - the secessionists
and the Unionists. Once it became clear that Lincoln would use force against the seceded states, the four middle slave states - Arkansas, Tennessee,
North Carolina, and Virginia
- joined the Confederacy."
"Virginia's action deprived the Union of the services of the ablest commander in the country - Robert E. Lee. Lincoln had already offered him command
of the Union army. Lee hated slavery and had freed his own slaves. He loved the Union, which he had served for thirty-two years. Still he felt that he
could not fight against his own state, his relatives and his neighbors. With deep regret he resigned his commission in the United States Army and accepted
one in the Confederate army. He became a tower of strength to the Confederacy."

West Virginia is formed.
"A bitter division of opinion developed in Virginia, and the western counties refused to follow the rest of the state. They held a convention at Wheeling,
declared that they represented the wishes of the people of Virginia, and voted to stay in the Union. At a later convention they organized the state of
West Virginia, which was admitted to the Union in 1863. Lincoln approved this action as a war measure, although the Constitution forbids the division
of a state without its consent."

Four slave states remain in the Union.
"In Missouri the Unionists and secessionists fought a civil war of their own, but the state did not secede. The governor of Kentucky declared that his state
would take no part in the war - that is, it would remain "neutral." Lincoln's tact kept Kentucky in the Union, and tens of thousands of her citizens enlisted in
the Union army. However, several thousand other Kentuckians served in the Confederate army."
"In Maryland the secessionist party was strong. If Maryland seceded, Washington would be surrounded and might become the Confederate capital. However,
United States military authorities occupied Baltimore and Annapolis, where they arrested secessionist leaders. The secession movement collapsed. Maryland
was saved for the Union. The fourth slave state to stay in the Union was Delaware. This state's legislature voted unanimously to reject secession."

On both sides loyalties are divided. "Neither side had the united support of its people. The Confederate army, as well as the Union army, included volunteers and officers from every state, both
North and South. Sometimes a single family had members fighting on opposite sides. This kind of family tragedy was frequent in the border states."
continued ...

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States Which Seceded
http://ehistory.osu.edu/uscw/features/faq/seceded.cfm
Convention of Seceding Stateshttp://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Convention_of_Seceding_States
Timeline of Secessionwww.digitalhistory.uh.edu/learning_history/south_secede/timeline_secession.cfm
The Confederate States of America - Overview of the Confederacy www.civilwarhome.com/confederacyoverview.htm
Confederate Constitutions And Viewpointswww.csawardept.com/documents/Constitutions/CSA/index.html
Confederate Order of Secessionhttp://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Confederate_Order_of_Secession
Confederate States of Americahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America
[ emphasis added ]
Confederate States Constitutionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_Constitution
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A SUMMARY OF THE STATES THAT SECEDED FROM THE UNION
www.tngenweb.org/campbell/hist-bogan/secessedStates.html"On November 6, 1860, Abraham Lincoln was elected the sixteenth President of the United States. His election to the presidency
was the final blow to the South and led directly to the break up of the Union. Five months after his election, the North and South
were engrossed in a bloody civil war. This was the culmination over thirty years of debate about the slavery and extension
of slavery into new territories."
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The American Civil War Homepage http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/warweb.html#letters
Declaration of Causes (of Secession) of Seceding States - GA, MISS, SC, TXhttp://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html
Category:Political Speeches & Documentshttp://civilwarwiki.net/wiki/Category:Political_Speeches_%26_Documents

Category:Confederate States of America documentshttp://civilwarwiki.net/wiki/Category:Confederate_States_of_America_documents


The Secession Movement 1860-1861
by Dwight Lowell Dumond
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/America/United_States/_Topics/history/_Texts/DUMSEC/Bibliography*.html Bibliography
Primary Sources


Confederate States of America : Documents http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/csapage.asp

The Online Library of Liberty
PART ONE: The Civil War http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=2282&chapter=216178&layout=html&Itemid=27

The Civil War and the Expansion of Slaveryhttp://caho-test.cc.columbia.edu/dbq/11014.html

Document Links

A. Calhoun on the Compromise of 1850
B. Forcing Slavery Down the Throat of a Freesoiler
C. Bleeding Kansas
D. Republican Party Platform of 1856
E. A House Divided
F. National Democratic Party Platform of 1860
G. Union Must and Shall Be Preserved
H. Crittenden's Proposed Amendment
I. Response to the Crittenden Amendment
J. Mississippi's Declaration of Secession


The Confederate and Neo-Confederate Reader
The "Great Truth" about the "Lost Cause"
Edited by James W. Loewen
and Edward H. Sebesta
www.upress.state.ms.us/books/1338Resounding documentary proof that the original reasoning behind secession and subsequent myth-making
was in defense of slavery and white supremacy

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[] Secession []
of the Confederate States of America (CSA)

[]

Secession Begins:
December 20, 1860
South Carolina

Secession Complete:
June 8, 1861
Tennessee

Secession Documents::
Related Documents:
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http://chnm.gmu.edu/lostmuseum/searchlm.php?function=find&exhibit=crisis&browse=crisis
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Confrontation to Conflict: South Carolina's Path to the Civil war
An Exhibit of State Documents Marking South Carolina's Journey from Nullification to Secession
www.palmettohistorysc.org/
Friday, December 17, 2010
"On the convention’s first day, delegates unanimously resolved that South Carolina should secede from the Union.
Fearing a smallpox epidemic in Columbia, the delegates travelled to Charleston, where they reconvened and drafted
the Ordinance of Secession. The document repealed the United States Constitution and declared “that the Union now
subsisting between South Carolina and other States, under the name ‘The United States of America,’ is hereby dissolved.”
On December 20 delegates signed the document before thousands of exultant spectators. Four days later the delegates
agreed to provide an explanation for their actions and adopted a Declaration of the Immediate Causes, which
blamed secession on northern states for violating the fourth article of the Constitution and refusing to return runaway slaves
."
"When South Carolinians had argued for secession during previous sectional crises, other southern states had urged caution.
So in December 1860 and January 1861 South Carolina sent envoys to southern states to once again urge secession. This time,
Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas followed South Carolina’s lead. On February 4, 1861,
the recently seceded states formed the Confederate States of America, and on April 12, 1861, Confederate forces in Charleston Harbor
fired on the Federal garrison at Fort Sumter. President Lincoln called for volunteers to put down the rebellion, which led Virginia, Arkansas,
North Carolina, and Tennessee to secede from the Union and join the Confederacy."

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Category: Short-lived states
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Short-lived_statesCountries (recognized or not) that controlled territory but existed for generally less than ten years.

Category: Confederate States of Americahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Confederate_States_of_America
The Confederate States of America (CSA, also known as the Confederacy) was the confederacy formed by the southern states that seceded
from the United States during the period of the American Civil War. The 11 states of the Confederacy were Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia,
Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia.

The main article for this category is Confederate States of America.
See also: Category:Foreign relations during the American Civil War
[]

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Repentance for the sins of our forefathers is Biblical.


In keeping with Nehemiah, chapter 1; Nehemiah, chapter 9; and Daniel, chapter 9; we all as Americans, if we have not done so already,
should repent for the sin of our forefathers, North and South, in not putting an END to the abomination of Unbiblical American Slavery before1860.
( Slavery as an institution among the union of States should have been stopped in 1787 at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, PA ! )

The failure of our forefathers, North and South, to END Slavery (and not just "Regulate" Slavery by limiting it to only the Southern States) led to
the horrific loss of over 600,000 American lives in the ensuing War Between Americans (1861-1865).
As Americans, we should all repent, because these men were the forefathers of our country. Repentance for the sins of our forefathers is Biblical.

May God give us in our own day, especially Christians (2 Chronicles 7:14, Matthew 5:13-16, KJV), the VISION (Proverb 29:18, KJV) to "see" that
the greatest moral crime of our day, the murder of children in the wombs of their mothers, must END if America is not to be destroyed, by God.
[ Leviticus 20:3; Matthew 22:37-39; Proverbs 24:10-12; Psalm 82:3,4; Isaiah 1:15-17,23; Luke 10:29-37; Matthew 25:31-46, KJV ]
[ Jeremiah 26:15; Deuteronomy 19:10; Deuteronomy 21:1,2,7-9; Matthew 27:24,25, KJV ]

Righteousness cannot be done in a land of forgetfulness.(see Psalm 88:12, KJV).
Steve Lefemine

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George Mason 1787 Constitutional Convention quote:
George Mason ('Father of the Bill of Rights'), Virginia delegate, August 22, 1787, in the Constitutional Convention:

"Every master of slaves
is born a petty tyrant. They bring the judgement of heaven upon a country.
As nations can not be rewarded or punished in the next world they must be in this. By an inevitable chain
of causes & effects providence punishes national sins, by national calamities."
The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787
by James Madison
www.constitution.org/dfc/dfc_0822.htm

www.adena.com/adena/usa/rv/rv009.htm
www.partyof1776.net/p1776/fathers/Mason%20George/quotes/contents.html
www.christianheritagemins.org/articles/Founding%20Fathers'%20Anti-slavery%20Addresses%20and%20Legislation.htm

Spoken prophetically in 1787, the national sin of American Slavery brought National Calamity, at the Hand of God,
in the 1861-1865 War Between Americans (War Between the States, Civil War), killing over 600,000 Americans.
And so it is today, the national sin of Child-Murder/Sacrifice-by-"Abortion" is bringing judgment and calamity upon America now,
and unless repented of, especially by Christians (for the sins of both commission and omission, including failing to do all that is possible
to ESTABLISH JUSTICE and END the killing), will bring National Calamity and destruction of today's America, at the Hand of God.

Establish Personhood now !
Steve Lefemine

"As much as I value a union of all the States, I would not admit the Southern States into the Union unless
they agree to the discontinuance of this disgraceful trade [slavery]."
- United States Founding Father, "Father of the Bill of Rights", Constitutional Convention Delegate, George Mason,
"Elliot's Debates", Vol. III, pp. 452-454, June 15,
1788
www.partyof1776.net/p1776/fathers/Mason%20George/quotes/contents.html
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AMERICA IN 2011 - A NATION ONCE AGAIN UNDER DIVINE JUDGMENT

- Especially for murdering 3,000+ pre-born children per day,
when establishing
" Personhood" could end the slaughter in a week.
2 Chronicles 7:14 - God's remedy for America to be healed is for we who are CHRISTIANS to REPENT !
"If My people
[Christians], which are called by My Name, shall humble themselves, and pray,
and seek My Face, and turn from their wicked ways
[sins of commission and omission]; then
will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land
[America, or any nation]."
Our only hope is REPENTANCE before God for our national sin, especially our national Bloodguilt.

Establishing " Personhood" for pre-born human beings, at fertilization, with no exceptions, would Establish Justice,
and demonstrate to the One, True, Holy, and Almighty God, that we are sincere in our desire to bring America's 38+ year
Child-Murder-by-"Abortion" Holocaust to an end.

Most of all, child-sacrifice/murder-by-"abortion" is an offense to God Himself. Mankind is created in His image (Gen. 1:26,27).
God says, to commit child-sacrifice to Molech, is "to defile My sanctuary, and to profane My Holy Name." Leviticus 20:3

If child-murder-by-"abortion" were to end today in America, there would still remain the need to REPENT
for all the innocent blood which has already been shed
(over 52 Million murdered by surgical "abortion" alone,
not counting the likely multiple times that number destroyed chemically by dual action contraceptive/abortifacient
"birth control" pills, Depo-Provera, etc., ad nauseam).

Numbers 35:33; Jeremiah chapter 19; Psalm 106:37-44; 2 Kings 24:1-4 (KJV) - the shedding of innocent blood
(e.g., child-murder/sacrifice-by-"abortion") incurs the righteous judgment of God upon a nation.

There is corporate bloodguilt upon the land, and upon we who dwell in America, for the 52+ Million
pre-born human beings slaughtered in their mothers' wombs by surgical abortion, and for perhaps
multiple times that amount destroyed by chemical "abortion" (including " Birth Control" pills, which
act both contraceptively and abortifaciently).

Genesis 4:10; Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 19:10; Deuteronomy 21:1,2,7-9; Proverb 6:16,17;
Jeremiah 26:15; Jeremiah 32:35,36; Ezekiel 35:6; Hosea 4:2; Matthew 27:24,25 (KJV).
For those who need to come out of denial (all of us to one degree or another) about the gruesome nature of child-murder-by-"abortion"
- view the video of the commission of an actual child-murder-by-"abortion" at: www.AbortionNo.org
- or look at pictures at: www.abortionno.org/index.php/abortion_pictures/
[ CCL Note: The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform (CBR) is unfortunately also an ecumenical organization,
yoking with followers of the false religion of Rome. ]

"America Repent" (music video)Contemporary Christian Artist: Tim Juillet
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLlOdkO9jak
Video (4:34)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvu6hHLSpzk
Video (4:33)


"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,...
seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." Hosea 4:6, KJV

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From: www.ChristianLifeandLiberty.net, "Events" page:

FIFTH ANNUAL "REPENTANCE FOR BLOODGUILT" OUTDOOR WORSHIP SERVICE IN COLUMBIA, SC
(since January 2003)

Sunday, January 21, 2007, South Steps, SC State House, Columbia, South Carolina
http://christianlifeandliberty.net/REP07-05.doc

Just as the national sin of American slavery brought God's judgment of war upon both the North and the South in 1861,
so is the national sin of child-murder-by-"abortion" bringing wars, terrorism, domestic violence, illegal immigration (foreign invasion),
economic hardship (and potential economic catastrophe), national deficits, national debt, tyrannical rulers (Psalm 106:37-44, KJV), etc.,
as divine judgments upon our rebellious, wicked nation today (Psalm 9:17, Proverb 14:34, KJV).

It is God alone Who can bring peace, safety, and security to a land (Leviticus 26:5,6, KJV), and ... Foreign invasion and War
divine consequences upon a nation, any nation, for the shedding of innocent blood (e.g., 2 Kings 24:1-4, KJV)...

When child-murder-by-"abortion" ends one day in America
(when Christian pro-lifers stop following the false leadership (Isa. 3:12, Isa. 9:16, KJV) of the National Right to Life Committee, originally founded under the auspices of the American Roman Catholic Bishops [ appointed by the Pope ],
in incessantly finding new ways to incrementally "regulate" child-murder, instead of applying God's requirement for Biblical JUSTICE to END abortion),
there will still remain the need for the Nation, the States, the Churches, Families, and Individuals, throughout America, to Repent, because
if child-murder-by-"abortion" were to end TODAY (March 31, 2011), there would still be a need to REPENT for the 52 Million+ already murdered (and this does not count the likely multiple tens of millions aborted chemically by "Birth Control" pills, Depo-Provera, etc., ad nauseam.

GOD'S REQUIREMENT FOR MURDER IS JUSTICE, NOT INCREMENTAL REGULATION !!!
Similarly, regarding slavery, there remains the need for the Nation, the States, the Churches, Families, and individuals of both the North and South, to Repent,
where it has not been done already, for the national sin of slavery, which was not ENDED until 1865 by the 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,
after Americans fought our most costly war (over 600,000 dead), against each other !!! The 13th Amendment stopped the perpetration of the sin
and crime of unbiblical American slavery, but that's not the same as repenting, saying we as a nation are sorry, for what had already been done
during 250 years (from colonial Jamestown, VA until 1865) of "unrequited toil," as Lincoln said in his March 4, 1865 Second Inaugural Address.

Even the ecumenical Southern Baptist Convention repented in its 1995 national convention in Atlanta, GA, for slavery and racism.
[ May leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention also repent of their ecumenical " culture war" efforts with followers of the false religion of Roman Catholicism. ]

Resolution On Racial Reconciliation On The 150th Anniversary Of The Southern Baptist Conventionwww.sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=899June 1995


And even leaders of the pro-abortion, pro-sodomite, women - priests - ordaining, apostate Episcopal Church USA apologized
"for their ancestors' slave ownership" in a "solemn repentance service" in Philadelphia, PA in October 2008.
[ May the apostate Episcopal Church USA also repent of being pro-abortion, pro-sodomite, and of ordaining women priests. ]


In February 2007, the Virginia state legislature also apologized:

Virginia state lawmakers pass slavery apology
www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-02-24-virginia-slavery_x.htm

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Child-murder-by-"abortion"
is a national sin.
9-11
was a national calamity.
More and greater divine judgment is coming upon America, unless we repent of the national sin of "abortion". If we will not repent of the national sin of "abortion", then the America of today will be destroyed, just as God destroyedthe kingdom of Judah, with successive waves of foreign invasion in 605 BC, 597 BC, and 586 BC (2 Kings, chapters 24 and 25).
We've already been attacked on September 11, 2001. Consider the undeclared / unconstitutional wars, calamities, and
other dangers America has suffered since 9-11:
War in Afghanistan (2001 to today), War in Iraq (2003 to today), Katrina (2005),
ongoing Illegal Immigration (Foreign) Invasion, Economic "Great Recession" (?), and now, War in Libya (2011).
What will it be next, America ? What will it be next, Church ?

Repentance finally, or further and greater divine judgment ?



Abraham Lincoln, President, March 4, 1865 Second Inaugural Address:www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html
[ excerpts, emphasis added ]

"One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the
Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and
powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war."
"If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence
of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills
to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to
those by whom the offense came
,
shall we discern therein any departure from those divine
attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently
do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it
continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of
unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall
be paid by another drawn with the sword
,
as was said three thousand years ago, so still
it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether." "

In spite of his failings, Lincoln was right in his March 4, 1865 Second Inaugural Address,when he said God gave "this terrible war" to BOTH North and South for the offense of slavery.


And today, God is bringing (increasing) divine judgment on America in the year 2010,
for our ongoing, unrepented, national sin of child-murder/sacrifice-by-"abortion".


As America considers the twin major national security issues of:
1) Millions of illegal aliens having already entered our country, and
2) The terrible consequences of the undeclared, and therefore unconstitutional, and therefore illegal;
as well as unjustified (no 9-11 connection, no WMD's), and therefore unnecessary (not a "just" war),
and therefore immoral War in Iraq, REMEMBER:
It is God alone Who can bring peace, safety, and security to a land (Leviticus 26:5,6, KJV),
and ... Foreign invasion and War are divine consequences upon a nation, any nation, for the shedding of innocent blood (e.g., 2 Kings 24:1-4, KJV)...


Child-sacrifice is an offense to God.
God says child-sacrifice defiles His sanctuary, and profanes His Holy Name.
Leviticus 20:3, KJV
What is the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ in America doing to Establish Justice to END this offense to our Creator ?!
Establish Personhood now !

As has been said, it's now either Christ, or Chaos (and then Tyranny)...

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
2 Corinthians 3:17, KJB
Repent, Church ! Repent, America !
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No King but King Jesus! (Yeshua Messiah)Declarations and Evidences of Christian Faith in America’s Colonial Charters, State Constitutions,
and other Historical Documents during over 375 Years of American History: 1606 to 1982
www.christianlifeandliberty.net/NoKingbutKingJesus.doc

"Where there is no vision, the people perish: ..." Proverb 29:18, KJV


"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,...
seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." Hosea 4:6, KJV


Christ is Ruler of the Nations !
Psalm 2; Psalm 24:1; Psalm 47:7,8; Psalm 50:12; 1 Timothy 6:15, KJV

"For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations."
Psalm 22:28, KJV


"Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; ..."
Psalm 33:12a, KJV


"... I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18
Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah)

Hallelu-Yah !

Steve Lefemine, pro-life missionary
dir., Columbia Christians for Life
PO Box 50358, Columbia, SC 29250
USA
(803) 794-6273
Columbia Christians for Life
www.ChristianLifeandLiberty.net
www.RighttoLifeactofSC.net
www.LefemineForLife.net

US Army active duty, 1977-1982, CPT, FA
US Army Reserves, 1982-1993, MAJ, FA
USMA 1977

May 21, 2011
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