Interesting Words.

Nixak*77*  Jim  18 hours ago
Uhm Jim, we both know the Bible ain't a college-level science / astro-physics text-book, yet ever since the priest mathematician-astronomer Georges Lemaître proposed it & cosmologist Edwin Hubble confirmed it via his analysis of the 'red-shift' pattern of light from distant receding stars & galaxies; strict-materialists have had 'issues' w the theistic implications of the Big Bang. Genesis 1: 1 says the Universe had a beginning, the Big Bang also says / confirms the Universe had a beginning [pre Big Bang cosmology just assumed the Universe was eternal], Gen 1: 3 says God created the Universe w a burst of 'light' [energy], Big Bang theory says the Universe came into being w a burst of light energy.
- Thus you've got guys like Larry Krauss & Pete Atkins trying to assert the Universe created itself from 'nothing', or Penrose trying to 'resurrect' the eternal Universe w his CCC HYPE-O-Thesis..., & then there's those hyping the sci-fi nether-worldly 'multi-verse' HYPE-O-Thesis. IMO they're just a bit a 'desperate', because it's clear that the Big Bang looks a bit too much like Gen 1: 1 & Gen 1: 3, & they don't like such an implication!!

Nixak*77*  19 hours ago
Outline of the 6 ‘Day’ [epoch] of Creation Process per each of the 6 Stages / ‘Days’ of the Process:
- ‘Day’ / Epoch 1: As the 'Big Bang' confirms, God caused the Universe to burst into existence w a sudden brilliant burst of light energy, ‘illuminating’ & ‘bursting thru’ the ‘darkness’ of the 'void', as is denoted by the diagram of Big Bang @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... -&-
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; for which a cosmologist just won a Nobel Prize [not Penrose’s CCC HYPE-O-Thesis] – Also note per Einstein’s [E = M(C^2], when you have light-energy you can / will get matter / the material universe. Note the Sun & Moon were actually created ‘In the Beginning’ when God ‘Created the Heavens & Earth’ via the ‘Light’, NOT during 'Day' / Epoch 4.
- ‘Day’ / Epoch 2: Separation of Earth’s hydrosphere from its atmosphere. Apparently the atmosphere was initially super-saturated w water-vapor [fog / mist & clouds] & IMO CO2 too, which would have effectively obscured stars & heavenly bodies [including the Sun & Moon] from earthly view.
- ‘Day’ / Epoch 3: God uses plate tectonics & volcanism to lift continental land-masses from the depths of the sea. Then upon these land-masses God caused vegetation to appear, & readily grow & proliferate in an environment ‘rich’ in water-vapor, CO2 & volcanic-ash enriched soil.
- ‘Day’ / Epoch 4: Plant photosynthesis absorbs excess water-vapor & CO2 from the atmosphere, while steadily increasing its O2 levels. The effect was that atmospheric visibility increased to the point that the Sun & Moon became clearly visible from Earth. Thus the Sun & Moon could now be used as markers for the daily day-night cycle, monthly [‘moonly’] cycles, seasonal cycles [ala the 4 seasons] & yearly cycles. IMO insect-like creatures [IE: trilobites] also likely appeared & began to proliferate on ‘Day 4’.
- ‘Day’ / Epoch 5: Via photosynthesis God caused atmospheric O2 levels to rise to a % level that could support bird & fish / sea-creature life-forms [@ % atmospheric O2 levels of 8 – 11%]. We know birds [but not dinos] can survive & thrive at O2 levels of 8 – 11%, because migratory birds can / do soar for days at a time at altitudes above 20K ft above sea-level [ASL] to even as hi as 35-40K ft above sea-level [FYI: @ 20K ft above sea-level the O2 equivalent = 10% & @ 30K ft ASL the O2 equivalent = about 7%]. Also most fish can survive in water where the dissolved O2 levels is 1/3rd to 1/2 of normal levels [equivalent to O2 atmospheric levels of about 7% to 10-11%], which is roughly the equivalent minimal % O2 levels required by birds. PS: By this epoch the Earth would have already been teaming w both plant & insect life-forms = an abundance of food-sources for both birds & fish [& of-course some aquatic birds do also eat fish].
- ‘Day’ / Epoch 6: Via photosynthesis God caused the % of atmospheric O2 to rise to & beyond 17% [current normal level = 21%], which is hi enough to support land-animal / land-creature life-forms- The last land-creature that God made being Man / Humans in the region of the Earth ‘Eastward in Eden’ arching between Kush [= ancient Ethiopia & parts of ancient Sudan] & ancient Egypt [KHemit] over to the Mesopotamia [Note the ‘Garden of Eden’ aka the Fertile Crescent].
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Why Darwinian Macro-Evolution is NOT Reconcilable w the Genesis Account [IMO YECs miss the real point, it ain’t really about whether God created the Earth 6K ybp in 6 literal 24-hr earth-solar days]:
- 1} Per Darwinian random-selection theory, the Creation including life itself was a ‘lucky’, unintended, unguided accident [thus no God required / involved], which is totally contrary to ‘In the Beginning God [purposefully] Created the Heavens & Earth. The effect is to deny God was / is the ‘Author of Life’, the ‘Creator of the Creation’.
- 2} Per the 1st point above re the Darwinian paradigm, life in general including human-life, has no true ultimate purpose beyond ‘survival of the fittest’ to ‘spread one’s ‘selfish’-genes’. Yet the Bible makes it clear that life in general & human-life in particular has a purpose that surpasses / transcends ‘survival of the fittest’ to “spread one’s ‘selfish’-genes” [a key theme of the Bible is selflessness {= love for & service to one’s fellow man} vs Darwinian selfishness per its ‘survival of the fittest’ doctrine]
- 3} Darwin’s ‘theory’ asserts given enough time via random-mutation & NS [= ‘survival of the fittest’ - Note: RM + NS = random-selection], a dino can ‘macro-{d}evolve’ into a bird & a long extinct mini-hippo type land-mammal can ‘macro-{d}evolve’ into dolphins, orcas & whales; etc... Yet Genesis says each species reproduces & multiplies after its own kind, which is NOT a ‘theory’ / HYPE-O-Thesis but a true observable biological-fact in real time.
- 4} Per the Darwinian paradigm humans {d}'evolved' from the physical & behavioral ‘image’ of a long extinct ape-like creature, yet per Genesis humans were originally created to be in the spiritual, intellectual & moral image of their Creator. Note that ‘In the Beginning’ for each ‘Day’ / Epoch of Creation God said ‘Let there be such & so’… Then when God created Man, He let Man behold each creature that God had made & then told Man to ‘name each creature & whatever you call it, that’ll be its name’. Question for Theistic evolutionists, Xtian Darwinists, etc: Where does it say & God spoke to some ape-like creature & told it to name all the different creatures that God had made?? Do apes talk / communicate by any spoken &/or written language?? Hell NO!! The only ‘creature’ it says God spoke to / communicated w & thus gave specific instructions to, was Man / the Adamic Generation / the Human Family!
- Thus IMO there can be NO ‘harmonizing’ / ‘reconciling’ of the Darwinian macro-evolution w the core principles & ideals of the Genesis Creation account re any the 4 Points above- especially for Points 1 & 4!!
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Questions for Darwinists [ala Andrew Parker]
- How can a strictly-materialistic & mindless process ala Darwinian evolution, ever ‘evolve’ any creature / being who could have any real sense of the ‘divine’ / ‘spirituality’?
- How can an inherently A-moral process [ala Darwinian evolution] ever ‘evolve’ any ‘creature’ / being w any true sense of morality?
- How can an inherently mindless goalless process w no ‘sense of fore-sight’ [ala Darwinian evolution] ever ‘evolve’ any ‘creature’ / being w a mind that can set long-term goals based on said mind having fore-sight / a long-term vision for the future?
- These are questions that are NOT so easily ignored / dismissed by 'sincere' Darwinists, yet Darwinists tend to assert that Darwinian ‘evolution’ must have done it [as Andrew did here], rather than actually explain in some detail how it could have possibly been done via the Darwinian paradigm.


 Nixak*77*  TylerB  12 days ago
Duplicitous Double-Speak Tyler's back at talking out of both-sides of your damn mouth yet again!!

Out of one side your say: 'Any form of racism / racial discrimination should not be tolerated.', while out of the other-side of you mouth you let your real 'Record-Player Joe Biden' show thru by dissing reparations for slavery out of hand = You're all for ending racism in the 'abstract', as long as(s) doing so does NOT cost you much to end it!
- And then there's the fact that just last week, you felt it was just A-OK to say 'Africans 'breed' too much' & that many [most?] African women are a bunch of AIDS spreading 'hookers' who are just 'crawling' all over the place! - Humm....


Nixak*77*  21 days ago
In response to Tara, Tyler & others of their anti-theistic ilk, who keep trying to assert atheism is ' the 'Church of What's Happening Now' while belief in God is waning the world over ['Don't Believe Their Hype']. This 'may' well be so in westernized countries [Tyler hyped a poll that said 'nones' are now 22% of the US' adult population, which = 78% of the US' population still ID as 'Folks of Faith, while less than half of those US 'nones' even ID as atheists], but in most of the rest of the World, that 'Ain't Necessarily So' by a long shot!!
- Last week Marvin linked to an article that even I found surprising, that officially atheistic China [of all places] is on course to have the most Xtians of any country in the world within a decade or 2 [FYI: China's currently the world's most atheistic country both by % & total numbers]. Tyler & Tara tried to dismiss this info, with the standard anti-theistic rhetoric that Xtianity is waning [again maybe so among well-off western white-guys].

From the Guardian, Aug 27, 2018: Religion: Why Faith Is Becoming More and More Popular [despite the hype] Faith Is on the Rise as 84% of the Global Population Identifies with a Religious Group [see @ www.theguardian.com/news/20... ]: Some key excerpts: } If you think religion belongs to the past and we live in a new age of reason, you need to check out the facts: 84% of the world’s population identifies with a religious group. Members of this demographic are generally younger and produce more children than those who have no religious affiliation, so the world is getting more religious, not less – although there are significant geographical variations.
- Christians form the biggest religious group by some margin, with 2.3 billion adherents or 31.2% of the total world population of 7.3 billion. Next come Muslims (1.8 billion, or 24.1%), Hindus (1.1 billion, or 15.1%) and Buddhists (500 million, or 6.9%). [Note: so Xtians = 31% + Muslims = 24% = 55% & adding Jews / Hebrews = about 57% of the World's people are of the Abrahamic Faiths traditions vs at best maybe barely 10% of the World's people are atheists]
- The third biggest category is missing from the above list. In 2015, 1.2 billion people in the world, or 16%, said they have no religious affiliation at all. But this does not mean all those people are committed atheists; some – perhaps most – have a strong sense of spirituality or belief in God, gods or guiding forces, but they just don’t identify with or practise an organised religion.
- Geography is important in religion. Asia-Pacific is the most populous region in the world, and also the most religious. It is home to 99% of Hindus, 99% of Buddhists, and 90% of those practising folk or traditional religions. The region also hosts 76% of the world’s religiously unaffiliated people, 700m of whom are Chinese.
- Religion is on the wane in western Europe and North America, but it’s growing everywhere else.
- Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world – more than twice as fast as the overall global population. Between 2015 and 2060, the world’s inhabitants are expected to increase by 32%, but the Muslim population is forecast to grow by 70%. And even though Christians will also outgrow the general population over that period, with an increase of 34% forecast mainly thanks to population growth in sub-Saharan Africa, Christianity is likely to lose its top spot in the world religion league table to Islam by the middle of this century.
- Hindus are set to grow by 27%, and Jews by 15% mainly because of the high birth rate among the ultra-Orthodox. However the religiously unaffiliated will see an increase of just 3%. - And while the religiously unaffiliated currently make up 16% of the global population, only about 10% of the world’s newborns were born to religiously unaffiliated mothers between 2010 and 2015.
- China has seen a huge religious revival in recent years and some predict it will have the world’s largest Christian population by 2030. The number of Chinese Protestants has grown by an average of 10 % annually since 1979, to between 93 million and 115 million, according to one estimate. There are reckoned to be another 10-12 million Chinese Catholics.... {
- So as(s) Tyler & Tara & their ilk, hype that there maybe a couple of million more atheists in the US, & 10 - 20 mn more atheists in the EU & Canada, the World's most atheistic country China, has 90 - 100 mn more Xtians [& that don't even count the growing number of Chinese Muslims & of course Buddhists & Confuciansts]. And how many atheists in Russia were lost in that count w the fall of the Berlin Wall?? - And there's Africa where atheists are almost as rare as African saber-tooth tigers!!

And this sidebar to the article: ​Science and Religion: } A key proponent of the incompatibility of science and religion is Richard Dawkins, the British evolutionary biologist [& out-spoken anti-theistic author of The God Delusion], who has ridiculed creation and intelligent design theories.
- A survey of 3,000 science, medical, technical, and engineering professionals in the UK, Germany and France, commissioned by the Scientific and Medical Network, found that 25% described themselves as atheists, and 45% as religious or spiritual.
- Professor Eric Priest, a mathematician and a former president of the Royal Astronomical Society, said the supposed conflict between science and spirituality was outdated, and many scientists had “a more subtle, nuanced view of the relationship, and recognise that questioning, imagination, creativity, reason, faith and community are common features of both science and religion”.
- In the US, a survey of scientists in 2009 found they were roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. One in three scientists said they believed in God compared with 83% of the general population. Just under half the scientists polled said they had no religious affiliation, compared with only 17% of the public.
- Jennifer Wiseman, a Christian astrophysicist and director of Dialogue on Science, Ethics and Religion, a programme of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, told ABC News that science was a “wonderful tool for understanding the physical universe” but religious belief provides answers to bigger philosophical questions in life. “We are physically connected to the universe and I think we have a deeper connection as well.” {
- What this shows is, despite Dawkins & his {not so}'New Atheists' ilk, one can indeed be a serious scientist & still be a 'Person of Faith', but we should already know that based on the bios of legendary scientists like Sir Isaac Newton, George Washington Carver, Gregor Mendel, Louis Pasteur, among many others. It's only become 'fashionable' to try to associate science w atheism / agnosticism since in the wake of Darwin.