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From http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1853&start=200

 

DawnIsMyGoddess wrote:

Can I get the cliff notes? Who exactly is Eric Jon Phelps? (in a nut shell)

Cliff notes?

Are they big in America?

I just found out the other day (after reading your previous use of the term) what they are at well-thumbed WikiP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CliffNotes

So anyway, here's a mini-bio followed by a micro-summary of EJP's line of research & thesis, from this year's Conspiracy Conference:

http://www.conspiracycon.com/speakers.html

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Eric Jon Phelps Bio - Lecture Eric Jon Phelps is a California native born in Oakland, 1953. He was raised in the small suburb of Tara Hills and graduated from Pinole Valley High School in 1972. In October of that year he entered the United States Air Force and, after basic training, was stationed at Lowry Air Force Base (AFB) in Denver, Colorado. Upon completing his training for the maintenance of air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, he was stationed at Cannon AFB in Clovis, New Mexico, for ten months and then sent to Spandahlem AFB in West Germany for three and one half years. Leaving the Air Force in 1977, he entered Baptist Bible College in Clark’s Summit, Pennsylvania, attending for two years. Leaving in 1979, he attended Lancaster Bible College, graduating in 1981 with a B.S. in Bible. For the next fifteen years he worked in construction, specializing as a private concrete worker for thirteen years. Upon becoming chronically ill, he sold the machines of his concrete business and invested in alternative health tools necessary for recovery. This led to an alternative health ministry for seven years, which proved to be a great awakening to the human suffering imposed by the American allopathic medical profession. It was during this twenty-year period that he researched and wrote Vatican Assassins, financed and published in 2001 by Halcyon Unified Services. In April of 2007 the third edition of Vatican Assassins ( VAIII) was released, he now offering a bi-monthly newsletter, The Jesuit Watch. He makes his home in Newmanstown, Pennsylvania, with his wife, Danita, and two sons, Skyler and Jordan, while the father of two adult sons to a previous marriage, Benjamin and Nathan. He accepts speaking engagements specializing on the past, present and future designs of the ubiquitous and pernicious Company of Jesus. The Company of Jesus: The Doctrines, Deeds and Destiny Of Satan’s Greatest Secret Society Behind Rome’s New World Order Shrouded behind the secrecy of the papacy’s CFR-controlled American press and a treasonous national academia, presenter Eric Jon Phelps will attempt to disclose a few of the hidden doctrines of the Jesuit Order, they serving as the impetus for the multitudinous and damnable deeds of blood perpetrated by the self-styled “Company of the Perfect.” Acting as modern-day “Nicolaitans” (Rev. 2:6, 15), the Jesuits are a superbly educated and highly disciplined military Order now astutely ruling every nation on earth for the benefit of “the White Pope” of Rome. This gnostic Roman rule of the Papal Caesar’s “praetorian guard,” commanded by its “infallible” Superior General (Adolfo Nicolas) surnamed “the Black Pope,” will be systematically delineated, including its oversight of the international “Invisible Empire” of Scottish Rite and Grand Orient Freemasonry. The presentation will be limited to four parts: First, a short history of the papacy will be recited beginning with its founder, Constantine the Great, through the Dark Ages to the dawn of the Biblical Protestant Reformation in Germany. Secondly, the establishment and purpose of the Society of Jesus by Ignatius Loyola will be given, stressing the Company’s Counter Reformation Council of Trent and its war on Islam for the securing of Jerusalem on behalf of the Papal Caesar. The Order’s ubiquitous Eighteenth Century political and commercial powers will be reviewed, they justifying the Society’s suppression and extinction by Pope Clement XIV thereby igniting the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars understood to be the Jesuit General’s war on the Vatican Empire via his Masonic avenger, Napoleon Bonaparte I. Certain key personages will be highlighted during the Order’s Nineteenth “Century of Disaster” culminating in the Twentieth Century’s Second Thirty Years’ War (1914-1945). Thirdly, the Company’s Machiavellian-Hegelian dialectic of the fascist/communist, Counter Reformation Cold War will be detailed with respect to the building of the Black Pope’s fascist International Intelligence Community having destroyed true nationalism while militarizing “the former” U.S.S.R, Red China and the Sunni/Wahhabi Moslem world in preparation for America’s Sino-Soviet-Moslem invasion. Lastly, a series of recommendations will be proposed to break the power of the Jesuit Order and restore the sovereignty of distinct nation states as defined by the Bible.

Here's some useful links for following up some of the bio above:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_Bible_College

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newmanstown,_Pennsylvania

And this is his website:

http://vaticanassassins.org/

-Troy

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Azad wrote:

troy is part of oxley's disinfo squad. that's all there is to it really..

First of all you profane useless article of lies, I do not have a squad. Neither does my mentor, Eric Jon Phelps. We are all independant researchers. We are all truthsayers who do not promote the usual nonsense you profane get suckered into. So keep going round on your Gerbal wheel while we naw on the bars of the cage we're imprisoned in. One things for sure, I will re-seal the cage when out so you profane can stay in and worship the nonsense continually as you do. Complete wastes of time you persons are. Doing nothing to help anyone else but yourself and infact simply putting yourself on a merry-go-round Ouroboros of never-ending bullshit. So carry on blame Evelyn De Rothschild for everything. The same Sabbatean Frankist HOFJUDEN of the Pope who entered a B.B.C studio. Would we see the powerful Pontifus Maximus Pope and Superior General or Queen Elizabeth II for that matter lower themselves and enter a B.B.C news studio? Of course not. Would we see a member of the Royal family on an Alex Jones show like that other Hofjuden Rothschild? Of course not, they pay Alex Jones through their Maltese network and nothing more lowering. So once again Jew haters, please answer my bloody question. Why did Shimon Peres of Israel hand over Jerusalem to the Pontifus Maximus from 1993 with the Oslo Accord? Answer that one. Once again Jew haters CANNOT because they are PROFANE. When they come out and learn about JESUITISM and the DRAGON they then see exactly why along with the rest of history. So stay hoodwinked you little pion of nothingness. Truth hurts doesn't it when it doesn't fit with your manipulated indoctrinating and controlled version of events. Strange how we have a American Protective League style attack on Eric Phelps just as he's got so popular he's now challenging CIA agents like Alex Jones, Texe Marrs and mystery school promoting agents of Rome. Wake up before it's too late!

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DawnIsMyGoddess wrote:

Wow. That was an earful. Anyway, looks like EJP is ex-military, just like Texx M. :lol:

I don't have a problem with people having been in the military, especially NCO's.

It is basic logical deduction that there are a large amount of true US patriots in the military - consider the generals that Bush removed or who quit over Iraq for example. Many military & ex-military believe in the defence of the Constitution & Bill of Rights, but are as in as much position as we are to change things. Those who demonstrate that there hearts are in the right place should be supported, not attacked or rejected. Why risk their necks for a bunch of people who have demonstrated that they'd never have their backs covered (to say the least)?

How betrayed would YOU feel if you found out the truth about your country being run by a bunch of traitorous pawns from across the ocean (whether you believed them to be based in Rome, London or Jerusalem or even all of the above?

Get real, friends - that must be a bitter pill to swallow indeed.

Texe Marrs though I have no support for though. In fact, quite the opposite.

See his disgraceful (unnamed) verbal attack on ERic Phelps & the Rome-exposing research group. This was full of out & out lies & total deliberate distortions about Eric & was a pathetic attempt to regain credibility with his CIA henchman Alex "Project Mockingbird" Jones.

These are the guys that the likes of "Azad" & "splintercell9" are in agreement with. Which speaks volumes:


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Posted to an old sparring partner (albeit mostly good-natured on the whole):

Here is a user-friendly starting place to Jones's Jesuit connections:

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/category/alex-c-i-a-jones/

Believe me, there is much other stuff that I could extrapolate on but there is more than enough there to make him guilty by multiple association:

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/category/alex-c-i-a-jones/

This article, with relevant sections highlighted in red to bring out hat is hidden in plain sight at one of Jones' sites:

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/2006-04-28-alex-c-i-a-jones-john-jesuit-mcmanus-the-false-patriot-john-birch-society/

Excerpts:

Alex Jones could aptly be described as a brash, young Patrol Torpedo boat commander. As the leader of a small band of fearless dedicated sailors ... John McManus, the President of the John Birch Society, could just as aptly be described as a battle hardened Fleet Admiral, in command of a flotilla of dedicated sailors, cautiously planning and executing long term battle plans ... On April 27th [2006], via “The Alex Jones Show”, the PT Boat Commander and the Fleet Admiral finally met, and discovered that they are in the same Navy, taking orders from the same God ... reach out to allies such as Alex Jones ... Jones was obviously excited about what McManus said about the changes that are taking place within the Society, especially the news of the big tent approach the JBS is now taking. Jones said, “I want to work with you guys, to see you grow”, and McManus replied that he was “looking foreward to seeing the relationship continue”. If the crafty old Admiral now intends to acknowlege and appreciate the aid of an allied PT boat fleet, and if PT boat Commanders such as Alex Jones are willing to reciprocate…if the two types of warrior can now work together ...

This is the Jesuit-trained John F. McManus of the False Patriot John Birch Society that he is deferring to.

Jesuit-trained?

Yup, see:

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/john-f-mcmanus-the-jesuits-the-john-birch-society/

"John F. McManus was born in Brooklyn, New York, in 1935. At graduation from Holy Cross College in Worcester, Massachusetts ... Jack left the engineering field in 1966 to accept a full-time position with our organization. Working closely with Founder Robert Welch for many years, he was named the Society’s Public Relations Director and its official spokesman. In 1991, he was appointed President. ...

The College of the Holy Cross is an exclusively undergraduate Roman Catholic liberal arts college located in Worcester, Massachusetts, USA. Holy Cross is the oldest Roman Catholic college in New England and one of the oldest in the United States.
Opened as a school for boys under the auspices of the Society of Jesus, it was the first Jesuit college in New England. Today, Holy Cross is one of 28 member institutions of the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities."

Need more on the False Patriot John Birch Society& its CFR, Masonic, SMOM & Jesuit links? We got plenty.

See:

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/category/john-birch-society/

This anthology of devastating info for these Jesuit-loyal Masons with covert CFR & SMOM Knights of Malta connections is essential reading:

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/john-birch-society-reference-resource/

It's almost like - besides being an internal intelligence-gathering operation (like that of Jonesco) - the JBS was always intended to be a central forum in the US for all of these groups both directly & via their assets.

As I put in the prefaces to several of the articles that I bring to people's attention:

"On Alex Jones’ Infowars website there is an article where he is saying that - as close to outright as possible - he’s a JBSer: John Birch Society member. Consider his deferential position to Jesuit-trained JBS President John F. McManus. Now consider pro-Vatican Ron Paul’s endorsement of his “many friends” that are members of the highly Catholic John Birch Society (an organisation with many high-level Masons & long links to Knights of Malta) & read the articles “the John Birch Society” & “the Belmont Brotherhood” ... Jones & his old friend Jesuit-trained Pat Buchanan of the American branch of the Pope’s religious-military order the Knights of Malta, are Ron Paul’s staunchest supporters. Jones refuses to seriously examine the extent of the covert global manipulation of the Papacy, the Jesuits & the Knights of Malta, while Paul sang the praises of the previous pontiff & Buchanan is the uber-Catholic."

Check all of the above links. How many Jesuit connections does Jones need? Check the c. 1994/95 American Who's Who to confirm Buchanan's SMOM Maltese Knighthood.

Jones & Marrs lied outright & made gross distortions with everything they said about Eric - why do that unless they can't get him with the truth? Even Eric's solar harmonic-dependant, groundburst atomic detonation info was referred to as him believing that nukes were exploded via black magic. His geocentricity contention was described as him believing that the other dangles from a bouncing string or somesuch rubbish.

Eric's quite open diamond-importing business via which him & his wife have sold a grand total of about half a dozen gemstones is hardly being in the pocket of the Israeli government. The same Israeli political elites that Eric's pulled no punches in critiquing with a force that is simply beyond Jones.

Marrs is a Jewbaiter plain & simple & has exposed himself through his attack on Jesuit/Vatican/Catholic Knighthhood Exposers as a Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor & I suspect a high-level Masonic one, just like Billy Graham & Pat Robertson, those other False Protestants who have done as much as, if not more to destroy anti-Vatican, anti-Jesuit, Protest-ant Christianity both in the US & worldwide than anyone else. Marrs will never expose that the Torah-faithful Jews (& I'm not talking about those Naturei Karta Jesuit coadjutors either) are the victims of the Sabbataian, Masonic Labor Zionists loyal to their king, the Roman Papal Caesar.

Texe made one good movie exposing Rome years ago & now he says nothing & he has never done anything of note to expose the Jesuits or the Catholic & Papal Knighthood Orders. Jones only paid lip-service to the Jesuits in an attempt to keep the heat off him a few months back. Desperate measures by a desperate Agent.

John F. McManus head of the JBS is Jesuit-trained at Holy Cross & Knight of Malta Pat Buchanan (who is one of the staunchest US Catholics) is Jesuit-trained at Gonzaga College High & Georgetown Uni. Jones is on record as having deferred to McManus & is a supporter of Buchanan. Both Jones & Buchanan were two of false electoral campaign option, fellow JBS endorser, Masonic Ron Paul's strongest campaign supporters.

Is it any surprise that the JBS, Jones & Paul will not look into the Jesuits, the Vatican & the Catholic Knighthood Orders' unparallelled influence of global affairs. Bush kisses the Pope's ring for God's sake & McCain & Obama have both been filmed attending the National Catholic Prayer breakfast, surrounded by Jesuits & then filmed sitting on either side of their true master, Edward Cardinal Egan, the Archbishop of New York (who is a US Knight of Malta, French-Neapolitan Constantinian Knight & a Knight of the Duke of Savoy-led Order of Sts Maurice & Lazarus. The Duke of Savoy, Victor Emmanuel is a P2 Mason.

The history of the JBS is riddled with CFR & Knights of Malta connections. They are a complete fraud & an internal intelligence gathering & diversion operation. It's all in the links that I provided.

Jones' CIA connections? Again: Pat Buchanan & mass-media social-engineering Operation Mockingbird. Buchanan & Braden were/are working for the CIA in this.

See:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html

& Thomas Richards' excellent analysis here:

http://www.spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm

I'm getting serious Deja Vu here. I was pushing this info hard on Myspace over a year ago & with Thomas managed to wake a few people up. Not enough people though, for sure.

Take a long hard second look at Jones & realize what a bad actor this guy is. I can only conclude that Jones has got away with his schtick for so long due to the pitifully poor quality of Hollywood films having lowered expectations & dimmed perceptions of what is real & what is false. Honestly I can barely muster up words describing how much Jones apalls me.

I will have to let the stated connections do the talking.

 

-Troy

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QUOTE FROM "AZAD":

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interesting choice of words though, we the profane, hmm who else talks like that ? the masons do.

"Azad": Are you really so naive as to think that if Craig was a Mason that he'd go around dropping the term "Profane" left, right & centre? Oh, perhaps you are...

Really my friend, you need a good dictionary if you're going to learn to speak English, also some basic understanding of word usage wouldn't go amiss:

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Dictionary: profane |prəˈfān; prō-| adjective 1 relating or devoted to that which is not sacred or biblical; secular rather than religious : a talk that tackled topics both sacred and profane. • (of a person) not initiated into religious rites or any esoteric knowledge : he was an agnostic, a profane man. 2 (of a person or their behavior) not respectful of orthodox religious practice; irreverent : desecration of the temple by profane adolescents. • (of language) blasphemous or obscene. verb [ trans. ] treat (something sacred) with irreverence or disrespect : it was a serious matter to profane a tomb. Thesaurus: profane adjective: 1 subjects both sacred and profane secular, lay, nonreligious, temporal; formal laic. antonym religious, sacred. 2 a profane man irreverent, irreligious, ungodly, godless, unbelieving, impious, disrespectful, sacrilegious. antonym reverent. 3 profane language obscene, blasphemous, indecent, foul, vulgar, crude, filthy, dirty, smutty, coarse, rude, offensive, indecorous. antonym decorous. verb: invaders profaned our sacred temples desecrate, violate, defile, treat sacrilegiously.

To which we could add "ignorant".

I quite like Craig's use of the term, which he reserves for those ignorant (especially those who obstinately remain dismissive) of the wealth of evidence & testimony of the unmatched evil & influence of Rome.

Sometimes I'll use the term "Conspiracy Profane" in a similar manner.

Very apt I'd say.

-Troy

 

 

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Azad wrote:

oh and Phelps is not attacked but exposed for the diamond selling jewish fruitcake he is. phelps is insane, a christian fundamentalist who fights for his Zion, by his own admission no less. his (and your) jesuits theory is so full of holes you could think the swiss invented it.

"Azad": First you say that Eric is Jewish (which is a lie), then you say that he is a Christian. So there we have a clear demonstration of your confusion-sowing mendacity.

As for the ignorant insistence of yourself & "splintercell9" (is that code for some offshoot of "Combat 18" or what? 18 split - or splintered - into 2 = 18. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18 )

And in response to "Azad"'s "diamond" & "Zionist" jibes (again, both betraying his complete ignorance - or transparent cunning disingenuousness, as I'm coming to increasingly suspect - I shall present you with the following:

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Eric's quite open diamond-importing business via which him & his wife have sold a grand total of about half a dozen gemstones is hardly being in the pocket of the Israeli government. The same Israeli political elites that Eric's pulled no punches in critiquing with a force that is simply beyond Jones.

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http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1853&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=140

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To tell the truth I didn’t know much about the diamond industry apart from the ‘it’s all bad’ crowd. Having done some research just now, I can see that there is some morally/ethically bad sources, but that’s not the whole story. It seems that since 2003 there have been steps taken to ensure that by & large ‘conflict diamonds’ or ‘blood diamonds’ getting into the US are mostly kept to a minimum. Coffee & chocolate industries are almost all brutal slave-like conditions, unless you go fair trade (which I do), but bet that most people knocking Eric’s arrangements here don’t. Also they are probably buying US products (along with the Chinese ones) & don’t associate those with supporting the US Government, so why make equate doing business with Israelis as being the same as doing business with the Israeli government, which Eric ceaselessly criticizes & rejects when he discusses them? Still its easier to bitch & speculate than do research & consider the facts. Bearing all that in mind & knowing the responses of the ‘conspiracy crowd’, I guess that such a ‘find’ is inevitably going to be used as the number one weapon in a campaign to knock Eric & the Jesuit/Vatican expose researchers. Here’s some links to brush up on the diamond industry in a balanced manner. Quite interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamonds#The_diamond_industry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamonds#.22Blood.22_diamonds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_diamond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberley_Process_Certification_Scheme http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Diamond_Trade_Act

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http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/eric-phelps-defines-the-six-zionisms/

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ERIC PHELPS DEFINES THE SIX ZIONISMS Re: ZIONISMS LISTING REQUEST FOR A FRIEND‏ From: Eric Phelps (eric@vaticanassassins.org) Sent: 24 July 2008 18:35:40 To: troy Dear Brother Troy, The six Zionisms are: 1. Masonic Jewish Labor Zionists—who worked for the pope during WWI, WWII and the founding of Israel which Rome considers to be its revived Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem. 2. Revisionist Zionists—led by Jabotinsky who was murdered in Hunter, New York, and whose followers were neutralized or murdered by the Labor Zionists. The classic on Vladimir Jabotinsky is Lone Wolf in two volumes. 3. Orthodox Talmudic Zionists—led by extreme Orthodox rabbis who believe that the racial/religious Jewish people have no right to live in the land of Israel until the Messiah arrives. Thus, they are ignorant of their own Hebrew Scriptures which clearly state that when Messiah appears there must be a nation of Israel and a Jerusalem inhabited by Jews to save from invading Gentile armies. 4. Christian Zionists—led by pro-Jesuit futurists who back both the government of Israel and the right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel. They refuse to distinguish between the government of Israel (which is evil and ruled from Rome via the Order’s Masonic Jewish Labor Zionists) and the Lord’s beloved Hebrew/Jewish/Israelitic people living in the land promised to Abraham and his seed forever in Genesis 15:18. 5. Anti-Jesuit/anti-Vatican Christian Zionists—led by anti-Jesuit, biblical futurists holding to a literal reading of the prophets, maintaining that the beloved Hebrew/Jewish/Israelitic people have a right to live in their promised land apart from obedience to the law of Moses, now done away. They abhor the government of Israel as being totally controlled by Rome through the pope’s New York City-based Council on Foreign Relations to the detriment of the Jewish people living in Israel. They oppose the government of Israel, but defend the Jewish people’s right to live in the promised land of Israel to the exclusion of all Arabs and non-racial Jews. 6. The Lord Jesus Christ—the foremost Biblical Zionist who will restore the Kingdom of David upon his return, will smash all Gentile political and military power, and will rule the world bringing comfort to Zion (Jerusalem). These are the six Zionists. I am of the fifth catagory. Sincerely in faith, Brother Eric

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DawnIsMyGoddess wrote:

Why is Texe so big on the Jewish angle? This is very damaging to us.

The (crypto-Frankist Sabbatain) Labor Zionists serve the Jesuits & thus hate Judaism & all other racially Jewish people (i.e. those that don't covertly serve Rome. See John 19:15: "But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar"

These were false Jews & of the Babylonian Mystery religion in fact. This tradition of anti-Jewish Jews has gone on since Babylon. The centre of the occultism of Babylon shifted to Rome & has had servants in Jerusalem who have betrayed the Jewish people both in Israel two millennium ago, then in Europe under instruction from Rome through till the end of the Second World War (in reality the latter part of the Pope's Second Thirty Years War)

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The octopus has many tentacles...when we will learn?

Indeed, DIMG. And here's an interesting (though only partly accurate, due to its ignoring of the Jesuits in favour of their creation Opus Dei) article extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 7, Number 5 (August-September 2000) or September-October 2000 in the USA only.:

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Holy Smoke and Mirrors The Vatican Conspiracy by David G. Guyatt, 2000 THE MAFIA, THE CIA, AND THE VATICAN'S INTELLIGENCE APPARATUS Albert Vincent Carone is one of those people who spent his life dancing between raindrops and turning invisible wherever a shadow lingered. He existed and also didn't exist. Al Carone--unlike his near namesake, Al Capone--truly was a paradox wrapped in a mystery concealed behind an enigma. Carone was a detective in the New York Police Department, but this didn't stop him from becoming a "made" man in the Genovese crime family. He knew all the leading Mafiosi of his day, including Vito Genovese, Sam Giancana, Santos Trafficante, Joe Colombo and Pauley Castellano amongst others. To Carone's daughter, Dee, they were all known as "Uncle". When she got married, her father arranged two different reception rooms to separate the Mob guests from the NYPD guests. But this was more window-dressing than anything else. One of Carone's principal functions in the NYPD was to act as the "bagman" in protecting shipments of CIA drugs to the various Mafia families. Carone died in 1990 under mysterious circumstances. This followed a period of great personal disenchantment with his life, following a secretive mission to Mexico in 1985 when a large number of innocent women and children died unnecessarily. His death was horrific, reports Mike Ruppert, editor of From The Wilderness newsletter, who has investigated Carone's life story and written a special report on it (see acknowledgements). Meanwhile, another "Uncle" was Bill Casey, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency during the Reagan Administration. Casey had been with the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) during World War II. During the 1970s, he became Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) which regulates the US investment industry. During his tenure in that role, Casey used Carone as a "cut out" to pass sensitive insider information to Mob capo Pauley Castellano, says his daughter, Dee. Carone was also a Full Colonel in the US Army, where he had operated in the Army's Counter Intelligence Corp (CIC). Unsurprisingly, in view of his close friendship with Bill Casey, he was also a covert operative for the CIA. But that wasn't half of it. Carone was also a Grand Knight of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM), which historically has been the military arm of the Vatican and is regarded as a separate State with full powers of statehood, including issuing its own diplomatic passports. In more recent decades SMOM has acted as a funding conduit, a black market gold channel and money laundry for the CIA, amongst others, and is known to act as the Vatican's intelligence arm. It was alleged to be involved in, for example, the disappearance of Russia's gold reserves--over 2,000 metric tonnes--which vanished during 1991, around the time that Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev was ousted from office. Malta knighthoods are awarded to many leading individuals who are part of the military and intelligence community. The CIA's Bill Casey, for example, was a Knight of Malta. Former NATO General and later US Secretary of State Alexander Haig is also a Malta Knight. Another is General Vernon Walters, the former Deputy Director of the CIA under DCI George Bush, and later appointed a roving ambassador during the Reagan Administration. The legendary head of the OSS (the WWII precursor of the CIA), "Wild" Bill Donovan, was made a Knight along with his wartime compatriot and later CIA Chief of Counterintelligence, James Jesus Angleton. And John McCone, another prominent member of the US "spook" agency, was also distinguished with a Malta knighthood. The list goes on. Most interesting is Reinhard Gehlen, the former Nazi intelligence expert recruited by the US in 1945&endash;46 to head the Gehlen Org--a secret, German-based intelligence arm of the United States that was composed of former SS and Gestapo agents, many of whom, including Klaus Barbie, were wanted Nazi war criminals. The foregoing names amount to a listing of some of the most powerful and influential members of the Western intelligence community over the last five decades. One Vatican group that has extremely close ties to the Knights of Malta is the ultra-right-wing Opus Dei. This is an immensely powerful faction in the Vatican today, and its public "do good" activities eclipse a plethora of the darkest political and financial machinations known to man. It will not come as a surprise, perhaps, that Carone was closely associated with Opus Dei and, in particular, with a covert operation that had its origin back in 1944. This was Operation Amadeus. FROM RATLINES TO DRUG SMUGGLING ROUTES This highly secretive operation was part of the Operation Sunrise negotiations conducted between Allen Dulles--the then senior wartime OSS officer in Switzerland, but later to become the Director of the CIA--and SS General Karl Wolff. This debonair and well-connected SS officer commanded the SS and Gestapo contingents in Italy at the time. The result of these negotiations (at least those parts that are now known about) was an agreement affording amnesty to an extensive roster of SS&endash;Gestapo forces, in exchange for their agreement to shift their allegiance to the West in the pre-planned, covert battle aimed at defeating the Soviet communist "menace"--in other words, the "Cold War". One spin-off of these Dulles&endash;Wolff arrangements were the Vatican-run "ratlines" that aided wanted Nazi war criminals to slink to safety. Tens of thousands of SS and other Nazis escaped capture as a result of the ratlines. These included such figures as Franz Stangl, commandant at Treblinka extermination camp, and his friend Gustav Wagner, who ran the Sobibor death camp. Others to escape in this manner included Adolf Eichmann, the architect of the Holocaust. Eichmann was later captured by Israeli intelligence agents, smuggled to Tel Aviv where he stood trial and was eventually executed. In comparison, Dr Joseph Mengele--known as "the White Angel", a war criminal wanted for his cruel and inhuman experiments on death camp inmates at Auschwitz--escaped to Argentina and lived a long life. Operation Amadeus was exclusively concerned with the flight of SS and Nazi war criminals to the South American continent and their later ferocious covert actions against the indigenous populations justified under the banner of "anti-communism". One individual engaged in Amadeus activities was former Gestapo officer Klaus Barbie, known to the world as "the Butcher of Lyon". The principal means of funding Operation Amadeus activities was the hugely profitable narcotics business. Large stocks of SS morphia had been smuggled out of Europe and into "Catholic" South America at the end of the War in accordance with the Sunrise agreement. The morphia was accompanied by looted SS gold and large quantities of counterfeit British banknotes, forged in concentration camps by captive but skilled counterfeiters as part of an SS scheme known as Operation Bernhardt. The escape "lines" used to move wanted men around South America, away from the prying eyes of Israeli agents, also proved ideal as smuggling routes for drugs. Decades later, the stocks of heroin smuggled into the United States for distribution by the CIA-protected Mafia would be complemented with locally grown cocaine. One of the figures to emerge into the spotlight during the 1980s who was deeply involved in this narcotics traffic was Colonel Oliver North, who authorised the exchange of guns for drugs to finance Contra operations. Oliver North was known to Al Carone under his "work" name, "John Caffrey". This was the time when Carone was engaged in CIA-controlled cocaine transactions with Joe "Pickles" Percilia, a member of the Colombo crime family. These curious and usually concealed connections between governments (in the form of the military and intelligence community), organised crime, the Vatican and Nazi war criminals have some significant history. Not least was the secret agreement reached between US Naval Intelligence officers and Mafia don Charles "Lucky" Luciano during World War II. This resulted in the Mafia's decision to aid and assist the Allies by contacting Mob figure Vito Genovese in 1943 to prepare the way for the Allied landing in Sicily. As earlier outlined, it was primarily those SS&endash;Gestapo units located in Italy under command of SS General Wolff that were initially concerned in the Operation Sunrise negotiations. And while large numbers of former Nazis were fleeing south to fight the communist menace in Latin America--and, more importantly, to profit personally from their involvement in the lucrative drug and gun business--in Europe, the spadework was being laid to overthrow or thwart democratically elected governments via a network of fascist-manned "Stay Behind units", organised under the aegis of Operation Gladio. Not surprisingly, this would also lead to certain involved figures making personal fortunes out of other people's misery--a circumstance that is so commonplace it is barely worth mentioning. These neo-fascist activities would come to prominence in the early 1980s following the collapse of Banco Ambrosiano and the death of Italian banker Roberto Calvi, who was "suicided" and left hanging under London's Blackfriars Bridge. This would lead to sensational disclosures about the role of the Vatican Bank, the IOR, in Calvi's financial empire and would quickly grow to include the activities of Mafia financier Michele Sindona--whose activities, in turn, would implicate leading blue-blood banks in Europe and America in Mafia activities. Both Sindona and Calvi were close to Opus Dei, which lost around $55 million when Sindona's empire crashed. According to his family, Roberto Calvi was deeply engrossed in helping Opus Dei take control of the IOR when he was killed. Meanwhile, both Calvi and Sindona were members of the secretive Propaganda Due (P2) masonic lodge, which is said to have been a "parallel government" in waiting and which planned to effect a coup d'état in Italy following a Communist Party victory at the polls. P2 was run by former Italian fascist and member of the Nazi SS, Licio Gelli--dubbed "the Puppet Master" by the Italian press. Gelli's connections to the ultra-hard-right and fascists in Europe and Latin America were extensive. In fact, he had been deeply involved in establishing the Vatican-run ratlines that aided the worst Nazi war criminals to escape Allied justice at the end of WWII. All told, an estimated 50,000 Nazis were helped to freedom. Gelli had numerous powerful friends, including former Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. He was also a personal friend of Argentina's General Juan Perón, and his close associations with Argentina would later lead him to be a key figure in shipping a supply of French Exocet missiles to sink British Task Force ships during the Falklands War. In this endeavour he worked closely with Ronald R. Rewald, founder of the Hawaiian-based financial institution Bishop, Baldwin, Rewald, Dillingham & Wong--a CIA proprietary company and forerunner of the CIA-owned Nugan Hand Bank. The involvement of a CIA front company engaged in financing and providing weapons to be used against a key American ally (Britain) with the wholehearted public support of the US Government may seem somewhat duplicitous. However, in the world of "black ops", "friends" and "enemies" are interchangeable words and working both sides of the fence is accepted practice. In terms of hierarchy, Gelli reported to Umberto Ortolani, described by one writer as "the great Vatican door-opener" and "secret chamberlain of the papal household". In addition to his P2 connections, Ortolani is also a member of the inner council of the Knights of Malta and has military intelligence connections that date back to WWII. THE OCTOPUS AND THE SPIDER There are numerous other masonic groups and secret societies in Europe which move in and out of focus at various times. Almost all of them are Catholic in nature. One of these is the Priory of Sion (Prieuré de Sion)--a secretive order that first came to public attention via the best-selling book, The Holy Blood And The Holy Grail, published in 1982. The Priory is closely connected with the alleged treasure of Solomon which is said to have found its way to the small village of Rennes-le-Château in southwestern France, where it is said to have been buried by the Knights Templars, forerunners of the Knights of Malta. The Priory, whose headquarters were located at Annemasse, near Geneva on the Swiss border, are styled as the "guardians" of Solomon's treasure, but, most interestingly, they have numerous subterranean connections to fascists and those on the far right that date back to WWII. Meanwhile, it has to be noted in passing that Annemasse is said to have been the centre for the anti-communist Stay Behind units of Operation Gladio. If this is not intriguing enough, another fact stretches coincidence to the point of bursting. In recent years, the Priory of Sion has moved its headquarters to Barcelona and now boasts a Spanish Grand Master. This, one could conclude, is to enable it to be physically closer to the historical heartland of Opus Dei, which was founded in Spain in 1928. If Otto Skorzeny was a leading force in running the SS Brotherhood escape routes--Der Spinne, the Spider--after the war, and SS General Karl Wolff was the lead negotiator with OSS Swiss Chief, Allen Dulles, then another Nazi, Walter Rauff, head of the Milan SD, was one of two liaisons with the Vatican involved in the establishment of the Nazi-smuggling system. Earlier in his career, Rauff had overseen the development of the Nazis' mobile gas vans, known as "Black Ravens", which gassed to death around 100,000 Jews, mostly women and children, by pumping exhaust fumes into the back of an hermetically sealed van. Another important link between the Vatican and SS escape routes was Friedrich Schwendt, who was also the man in charge of laundering forged SS banknotes. Before WWII, Schwendt was an international arms dealer who shipped weapons to China and Russia. He was also the investment manager of the family fortune of his first wife's aunt, Baroness Gemmingen-Guttenberg, of the vastly wealthy Argentina-based Bunge family, of the massive transnational firm Bunge Corporation that is also known as "the Octopus". This title is interesting, for it may connect to the so-called "Octopus" that ties in to murdered freelance journalist Danny Casolaro, who at the time of his death in 1991 was investigating a number of high-level illegalities including the theft by the Department of Justice of a "tracking" computer program known as "PROMIS". Casolaro was writing a book about what he had discovered. He originally titled it "Behold, A Pale Horse", but later modified it to "The Octopus". In a draft page of the book, he described this group as an "international cabal whose freelance services covered parochial political intrigue, espionage, sophisticated weapon technologies that included biotoxins, drug trafficking, money laundering and murder-for-hire". Casolaro further stated that this cabal was "spawned thirty years ago in the shadow of the Cold War". After Casolaro's death, journalist Carol Marshall (a pen name) followed up his investigation and wrote an (as yet) unpublished manuscript, titled "The Last Circle". In this, Marshall describes her investigation of Robert Booth Nichols--one of the central figures of the Octopus, whom she describes as being part of a secretive group known as "the Chosen Ones" and who wore "skull and crossbones rings and shared a common interest, if you could call it that, in the old German SS occultism, its tribal and inner circle rites". During her continuing investigation into the Octopus, Marshall found that the SS occultism outlined above was connected to Lt. Col. Michael A. Aquino, a former US Green Beret who is a self-professed Satanist and who held a Top Secret security clearance for his work in military intelligence and on classified psychological warfare matters. Aquino officiated at SS black-magic ceremonies held at Wewelsburg, the castle once used by SS chief Heinrich Himmler to create an SS order of Teutonic knights based on the Knights Templars. The foregoing connections lend themselves to a larger picture of global, interlocking, right-wing fascist groupings that operate in the shadowland of deniable military and intelligence operations associated with profit during WWII and, later, throughout the Cold War. In this respect, it is intriguing to note that the Priory of Sion, one of the foremost Catholic groups under discussion, uses as a symbol something that is variously described as an octopus or a spider (araignée) on its documents. The Priory's association with the octopus could easily relate to the so-called Octopus described above, where organised crime works hand in glove with operatives from US intelligence and the military. If one decides, on the other hand, that the Priory symbol is a spider, there is the intriguing notion of the Vatican-run Nazi escape lines of Austrian Catholic Otto Skorzeny and his SS Brotherhood's Der Spinne (the Spider). THE BUSINESS OF GOD Al Carone was, as mentioned earlier, a "made" man of the Genovese Mob in addition to his other associations. It is curious, therefore, to note that one of the leading lights of the Octopus, according to writer Carol Marshall, was ultra-right-wing oil tycoon Clint Murchison, owner of the Dallas Cowboys football team. Murchison's oil company, Murchison Oil Lease Company, was 20 per cent owned by Gerardo Catena, the chief lieutenant of the Genovese crime family. Throughout the Second World War and thereafter there was, according to author Charles Higham in his book, Trading With The Enemy, a "general agreement of certain major figures of American, British and German commerce to continue their relations and associations after Pearl Harbor". Higham adds that he also learned that "certain figures of the warring governments had arranged to assist in this [activity]". Higham's subsequent research proved that this high cabal--which he dubbed "the Fraternity"--not only existed but benefited handsomely throughout WWII. This led the author to ask: What would have happened if millions of Americans and British people, struggling with coupons and lines at the gas stations, had learned that in 1942 Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy's fuel through neutral Switzerland and that the enemy was shipping Allied fuel? Suppose the public had discovered that the Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars' worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the head office in Manhattan? Or that Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorisation from Dearborn, Michigan? Or that Colonel Sosthenes Behn, the head of the international American telephone conglomerate ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler's communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London? Or that ITT built the Focke-Wulfs that dropped bombs on British and American troops? Or that crucial ball-bearings were shipped to Nazi-associated customers in Latin America with the collusion of the Vice-Chairman of the US War Production Board, in partnership with Göring's cousin in Philadelphia, when American forces were desperately short of them? Or that such arrangements were known about in Washington and either sanctioned or deliberately ignored? Higham's "Fraternity" has similar characteristics to the so-called "Octopus", and also shows certain similarities to Colonel Oliver North's "Enterprise". All have engaged in the most dubious and illegal activities for profit, and all operate hand in glove with organised crime. All lean so far to the right, ideologically speaking, that the word "fascist" can be used without reservation. Meanwhile, none of them cares very much for the woes of humanity and, indeed, they appear committed to stomping on ethics and moral values wherever they meet them. The octopus--or "Oct Opus", as one European documentary film producer renders the spelling when referring to Opus Dei (which began life on 2 October 1928)--has eight arms that surround its mouth (ensuring a constant supply of food) and three hearts, and is therefore not prone to starving or dying. But it can also be identified by these oddities. Opus Dei, the group that is now in control of the Vatican, is undoubtedly one arm of this global criminal network, in this writer's view. Or are the three hearts of the octopus more vital to identify? Could they be analogous to the "Church, State and Mafia, the forces that prevail beneath the play of the shadows of the world" (as described by Nick Tosches in his book, Power On Earth, which tells the life story of murdered Mafia financier Michele Sindona)? There is yet another interesting twist to this accumulation of associations: Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands. The Prince was the founding chairman of the publicity-shy Western power elite, the Bilderbergers. This shadowy and secretive group meets over a weekend in May/June each year, under an almost total media blackout [see deBriefings this issue]. Powerful and very influential figures from the world of banking, business, politics, the media, trades unions and academia are invited. Included regularly, for example, are Dr Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller, and Italy's "king-maker", Gianni Agnelli. The first meeting took place in May 1954. This, strangely, was the same year that Prince Bernhard became head of the Johanitter Orde in Nederland, one of four orders that make up the Chivalric Alliance of Orders of Saint John (Alliance de Chevalerie des Hospitaliers de Saint Jean de Jérusalem). The stated purpose of these four, known as "the Alliance"--which is composed of northern European nations Germany, The Netherlands, Sweden and Great Britain, the latter being an ancient order known as "the Most Venerable Order"--is "to reduce to silence the enemies of Christ". The headquarters of the Alliance are located in Switzerland. These are Protestant orders rather than Catholic, but it is of significance that, on 26 November 1963, the Alliance was "consolidated with the signing of a joint declaration between the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and the Most Venerable Order, at St John's Gate, London, by the Grand Chancellor of the SMOM, the Prince of Resuttano, and Lord Wakehurst, Lord Prior of the Most Venerable Order". In other words, the Catholic and Protestant orders bound themselves to work together to "silence the enemies of Christ"--a clear reference to communism. Interestingly, it has been suggested that the Knights Templars were "infected" with the Johannite or Mandaean heresy that denounced Jesus as a "false prophet" and in his place recognised John the Baptist as the true Messiah. Meanwhile, two early Grand Masters of the Priory of Sion are said to have had Johannite tendencies: Leonardo da Vinci and Sir Isaac Newton. Notwithstanding that, the famous founder of the Knights Templars, Hughes de Payens, has been accused by the Vatican of being a Johannite. Leaving aside this brief foray into esoteric history, it is as well to note that Prince Bernhard, in addition to his Bilderberg role and as head of the Dutch Johannite Order, was also an honorary member of Himmler's SS and worked in NW7, the global intelligence arm of I.G. Farben which acted in the interests of the Nazi cause. The activities of NW7 in Latin America before, during and after World War II are deeply interwoven in this story. In facilitating and aligning itself with many of the foregoing activities, the Vatican aimed to help eradicate a communist ideology that despised Christianity. Opus Dei and a host of other Catholic-cum-fascist secret groups engaged in a litany of murder, money laundering, drug peddling, arms trafficking, concealment of WWII loot, embezzlement, manipulation of financial markets and many other consummate illegalities. The purpose of all these activities was, arguably, to allow the Vatican to remain the spiritual bulwark of the Christian West. But if such business is the business of a Church preaching of a God in Heaven, then Caesar on Earth had better watch out. A new landlord has fallen into town. Acknowledgements In preparing this essay, I drew upon an indispensable group of published/unpublished work and sources, as follows: ¥ The full account of the unique story of Al Carone, by Mike Ruppert (available to order online at www.copvcia.com). ¥ Trading With The Enemy, by Charles Higham (St Edmundsbury Press, Suffolk, UK, 1983). ¥ Their Kingdom Come, by Robert Hutchison (St Martin's Press, New York, 1997). ¥ Web of Gold, by Guy Patton and Robin Mackness (Sidgwick & Jackson, London, 2000). ¥ Ratlines, by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (Mandarin, London, 1991). ¥ The Bormann Brotherhood, by William Stevenson (Arthur Baker, London, 1973). ¥ Unpublished manuscript by Peter Dale Scott on Barbie, Dulles and Operation Sunrise. It details how the OSS&endash;SS preserved each other while serving their true masters: transnational corporations. ¥ The Last Circle, an unpublished manuscript by Carol Marshall, which investigates the so-called "Octopus". ¥ My thanks also go to Catherine Austin Fitts (www.solari.com) for her invaluable help. -- David G. Guyatt About the Author: Following a 28-year career as a professional international banker based in the City of London, David Guyatt now pursues a career researching, writing and producing material for TV documentaries, films and magazines. His feature articles have appeared in diverse publications including BusinessAge, NEXUS, Fortean Times, The X Factor and Lobster. In addition to his commercial writing, David has prepared background papers on anti-personnel electromagnetic weapons for the International Committee on the Red Cross (ICRC), as well as for Scientists for Global Responsibility. He has also written for the World Development Movement on his "insider" knowledge of international weapons financing. David was engaged as an expert consultant for the two-part World in Action TV documentary, broadcast in the UK in April 1997, that exposed Britain's weapons trail to Indonesia; and he assisted Swiss TV in a documentary on non-lethal weapons, also broadcast in early 1997. At present, he is pursuing an in-depth investigation into the real secrets surrounding the enigma of Nazi gold and WWII treasure looted by both German and Japanese "plunder teams". It will also unravel some of the more enduring secrets of the gold market.

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The Blessed Virgin Mary: Sinless or Sinner?

Enigmatv - Illuminati Vol II: The AntiChrist Conspiracy

Note by Me: I don't agree with alll in this film (like the false view that the Royals are related to the ancient Hebrews. That's false). I showed it as a means to understand more about the new world order agenda. 

 

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A link about the Jesuits

http://s13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=7729

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From http://letsrollforums.com/history-evolution-t17604p2.html

 

Modern atheism has a belief of their origins. They are not just the confussed. This belief is nothing more than faith that man came from a lower life form. Something there is no evidence of. This faith has been the foundation of the many forms of paganism.

The Atheist belief was created by the Vatican

Prior to the French revolution (1798) was a period of dark middle ages imposed by Holy Rome. During this time there were Roman Catholics, and there were heretics subject to the inquisition. These heretics included witches, Jews and Protestants.

It is known the RCC up until recently did not uphold evolution origin in science. Uniformitarian evolutionary thought in science did not become accepted until the mid to late 1800s.

Where modern atheism and evolution acceptance came from

1517 was the Reformation and spreading of the Protestant Bible after invention of the printing press. The RCC response to this was the Jesuit Order. Toward the close of the 16th century ALL OF EUROPE had had enough of the bloody inquisition from the Jesuits and the RCC banning them in country after country, as much as possible.

In this struggle for survival the RCC papacy, who already ruled the Holy Roman Empire through Knights and the RosieCrucian secret societies that the Jesuits were heavily involved, decided to destroy itself and rule from behind the scenes, to resurrect itself at a later date.

The Jesuits expelled out of all Europe find retreat on the Isle Corsica, here they train up a leader they will place in power, as they've done before.

The 1717 formation of Freemasonry by the Jesuits and papal Knights Templar/Malta RosieCrucians, radicalized by Jesuits called the Order of the Illuminati to foment revolution starting in France. Out of this French revolution came destruction of the antipapal Catholicism, and a strong Protestant society, including banning of the Bible. The Goddess of Reason was held up, "reason" an early term for atheism.

Illuminati became Marxism

This illuminized freemasonic heirarchy calling themselves the "League of the Just" enlist author Karl Marx to codify their beliefs and goals in a manifesto (1848). Marxism, like the French revolution before, saught to overthrow society the world over. World revolution would involved destruction of governments, religion and family.

• Governments - by infiltration - subversion or war - revolution.

• Religion (Christianity) - continue the Jesuit's banning and textual corruptiion of the Bible, also discrediting parts of the Bible with absurd claims of evolution incorporated into science, and challenges of historicity (knowing Romans destroyed first century records).

• Family - Promoting filth and debauchery, prostitution, feminism, sex-ed.

http://reformation.org/jesuits-in-france.html
www.benabraham.com/html/illuminati_-_4a.html
www.lightministries.com/id95.htm#chapter_four_

The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto

#10. Free Education

Children are ran through government schools where they are filled with Marxist lies and ideology. This Marxist curriculum comes directly from the Jesuits, now reestablished, operating in the open.

They teach evolution not because it's true, but because they need it for their world revolution, preferring a return to pagan Rome over papal Rome and the Reformation.

CAVEMAN is a textbook fiction that
NEVER EXISTED

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Continuing Counter Reformation

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http://www.geocentricity.com/ba1/no85/evolhist.html

http://letsrollforums.com/vatican-involved-once-again-t17184.html

http://letsrollforums.com/pope-president-and-pastor-t17094.html Abraham Lincoln

http://letsrollforums.com/jesuit-quotes-citations-t14412p3.html

http://freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com/2008/11/barack-obama-prince-hall-freemasonry.html

 

 

http://letsrollforums.com/silent-screams-t18165.html

http://letsrollforums.com/history-evolution-t17604.html

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From http://letsrollforums.com/lucifer-and-mormons-t17253.html

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Originally Posted by Chris_Morganti I already knew that. And I knew you would of course disagree, as I see it is obvious the Mormons are playing down the existence of Lucifer, when their Religion is meant to be related to Christianity. I was wondering in Revelations: 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." Isn't it referring to the Anti-Christ pretending to be Jesus? As he mentions he is the offspring of the morning star aka Lucifer.

I think the Mormons actually hold a belief that Lucifer is somehow Jesus' brother.

There were a couple that came by my house and I point blank asked them if they thought that, and they affirmed it.

Supposedly many masonic doctrines have been incorporated into mormonism, that would be one.

Actually, Rev.22 there is Jesus who is the Morning Star, Lucifer is "Son of the Morning".

It is the NIV that jumbles them up.
www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivsatan.htm

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From http://letsrollforums.com/zeitgeist-addundum-marxist-propoganda-t17993.html

 

 

The closing scene of Zeitgeist encapsulates the theme of the entire film -- that we could have free energy and live in utopia if only we would drop our religion -- this needed for even more social control.

While a strong case can be made for money being used to control governments and people, Zeitgeist claims it is big corporations of today pulling the strings. Money has been used for control and enslavement for thousands of years.

The Rockefeller and Rothschild families were instrumental in setting up the Federal Reserve Bank. They print the money. There's no motive for financial gain when you are the printer, motive appears to be power and control over people, governments and the world.

Even individuals like the Rockefellers or the Rothschilds have no motive to be caretakers of the planet, the motive is religious, these men are on a religious mission of the Vatican, that is the Roman Empire. The counter-reformation of the Vatican's Jesuits never ended, this is the Marxist NWO.

If ever there was any doubt Zeitgeist was produced by the New World Order this film should remove that doubt.

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French Protestant Pioneers

From http://members.fortunecity.com/jonhays/pioneers.htm


FRENCH PROTESTANT PIONEERS


Few opinion makers of 16th century France questioned the need for reform of the Church. Monks denounced the avarice of bishops. Priests denounced the lechery of monks. The writer, Pierre Brantôme (1540?-1613), quotes a phrase then popular in France: "As avaricious or lecherous as a priest or a monk".
The first sentence of Margarite's Heptameron describes the Bishop of Sées as lusting to seduce a married woman, and a dozen of the tales in the book describe similar adventures of various monks. One character in Heptameron exclaims, "I have such a horror of the very sight of a monk that I could not even confess to them, believing them to be worse than all other men."

It was due to King François I -- under influence of mother Louise and sister Marguerite -- that The Reformation began in France a year before "The Reformation" is supposed to have begun in Germany.

In 1516 (one year after ascending the throne), François I obtained from Pope Leo X a Concordat empowering François to appoint French bishops and abbots, making the French Church independent of the Papacy and dependent upon l'État. Thus, François I (a year before Martin Luther posted his "Theses") achieved what the German princes and Henry VIII later won by war or revolution: the nationalization of Christianity, bringing French Protestants "out of hiding".

Jacques Lefèvre d'Étaples (1450?-1536, "the French Martin Luther") predated Luther's "Theses" 5 years by arguing that humans can only be saved by Faith in the Grace of God, earned by The Redeeming Sacrifice of Christ -- that is, Lefèvre demanded a return to The Gospels. and translated The New Testament and The Psalms into French. In 1512, while teaching the reconciliation of Plato with St. Paul at the University of Paris, Lefèvre published a Latin translation of The Epistles of Paul, with a commentary on justification by faith, not works that clearly challenged to Roman Catholicism. He also denied the doctrine of transubstantiation: the theological dogma that in the Eucharist the administered bread and wine become, by priestly consecration, the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ, although external manifestations remain.
In 1523 Lefèvre issued a French translation of The New Testament and a year later of The Psalms. This and his negative remarks about the behavior of some of the clergy brought condemnation as a heretic by The Sorbonne. Lefèvre fled to Strasbourg in 1525. But gratitude of François to Marguerite for helping to free him from prison (after François' Pavia defeat) led him to recall both Lefèvre and his disciple, Gerard Roussel, from exile. Lefèvre was appointed Royal Librarian at Blois and tutor to the children of François. But, in 1531, François became angered at Protestants and Lefèvre took refuge in Marguerite's castle in Southern France, where he lived until his death in 1537 at age 87.

At first Lafèvre's writings were well received by church and state officials, but as Luther's radical doctrines began to spread into France, Lafèvre's work was seen to be similar, invoking persecution of his followers. Many leading Protestants fled from France and settled in the republic of Geneva or Switzerland until strengthened in numbers and philosophy by the Calvinistic reformation in Geneva. More than 120 pastors trained in Geneva by Calvin returned to France before 1567 to proselytize for Protestantism. In 1559 delegates from 66 Protestant churches in France met at a national synod in Paris to draw up a confession of faith and rule of discipline based on those practiced at Geneva. In this way the first national Protestant church in France was organized; its members were known as Huguenots.


Gérard Roussel (?-1550) became Marguerite's almoner. In 15??, when François was absent, Marguerite's husband, Henri, King of Navarre, authorized Roussel to preach at the Louvre and attended himself. When Roussel was attacked, Henri put in a word for him with François. Roussel and others drew up for Marguerite a revised confession of faith, "Messe à sept pointe (Mass of seven points)". In 1540 Marguerite procured papal appointment of Roussel to the vacant border bishropic of Oléon.

Guillame Briçonnet (?-1533), Lefèvre's pupil, was appointed Bishop of Meaux in 1516, and historians refer to "The Meaux Group" in fostering reform. Briçonnet appointed to benefices such reformers as Lafère, Farel, Barquin, Roussel, and Vatable, exhorting them to preach "return to the Gospels". Marguerite applauded this, making him her spiritual director. But when, in 1511, the Sorbonne condemned Luther, Briçonnet urged his colleagues to make peace with the Church, believing, with Erasmus and Marguerite, that the Unity of the Church was more important than reform.

Louis de Berquin (1489-1529) translated some of Luther's writings into French, earning condemnation as heretic, in 1523, by The Sorbonne. Marguerite interceded for him. Later, however, François needed mney to ransom his sons from Emperor Charles V. He made a deal with the clergy involving 1,300,000 livres in return for a firmer stand against Lutheranism. And, after an incident in which Catholic images were defaced, and anti-reformist sentiment became uncontrollable, Berquin was burned at the stake.

? Carol, a disciple of Lefèvre. When attacked in 1525, Marguerite made him her almoner (a position left vacant by Roussel, and appointed him to the curacy of Alençon.

Etienne Le Court, by Marguerite's support, was appointed administrator of the hospital of Mortagne and later curate of Condé-sur-Sarthe. In spite of Marguerite's protection, Le Court was burned alive at the end of 1523.

Marsilio Ficino (1433-99), Italian philosopher and theologian, whose translations of and commentary on the works of Plato contributed to the Platonic revival during the Renaissance. Ficino was born at Figline, near Florence. After studying medicine and philosophy and preparing for the priesthood, he undertook to learn Greek. Encouraged by the Italian banker and statesman Cosimo de' Medici -- particularly by his gift of a villa outside Florence -- Ficino set up the Platonic Academy and made the first complete translation of Plato's writings into Latin (1463-69). He later translated works by the Roman philosopher Plotinus and other Neoplatonic writers. Following his ordination as a priest in 1473, Ficino became a canon of the Cathedral of Florence. His original work, Theologica Platonica (1482), a study of the immortality of the human soul, demonstrates Ficino's knowledge of St. Thomas Aquinas; it also takes account of the Plotinian cosmology and of the influence of the stars on human lives. His commentary on Plato's Symposium introduced the notion of platonic love. This concept of a special friendship based on love of God was seminal in the literature of the later Renaissance.

Guilliame Farel (1498-1565) has been called "John the Baptist to Calvin" -- a homology wherein Farel plays the presaging role to Calvin that John the Baptist played to Jesus. Farel was a member of Briçonnet's "Meaux group", and Briccedil;onnet appointed him to a benfice. In 1523, during the riotous "Affair of the Placards", it was rumored that Farel was the author of the writing on the Placards. Influenced by Lefère, Farel disdained ordination and wandered the France and Switzerland as an independent preacher, denouncing the pope as the Anti-Christ, the Mass as sacrilege, church icons as idols to be destroyed. Farel was short in stature, weak-boned but strong of voice, with fiery eyes and a flaming red beard. In 1532, Farel began to preach in the Geneva, persuading the Council of Twenty-Five to his views. Aided by Peter Viret and Antoine Froment, Farel aroused such support that nearly all the Catholic clergy fled, the Mass was abolished, relics removed from the churches, ecclesiastical properties taken for Protestant purposes. Citizens were exhorted to delare allegiance to The Gospel, and those refusing to attend Reformed Seervices were banished.
It was to this reformed Geneva that Calvin came, when Farel was 47 and Calvin was 20 years younger. Recognizing Calvin's ability, but reacting to Calvin's reluctance, Farel threatened Calvin with a holy curse if he preferred private studies to the dangerous teaching of "The Word". The same year, Calvin accompanied Farel and Viret to Lausanne, where an entire district was occupied by prostitutes, under the rule of their Reine du Bordel (Brothel Queen) Shocked by this and other evidences of "immorality", Farel issue a Confession of Faith and Discipline and Calvin issued a popular Catechism, both approved by the Council, and Protestant ecclesiastical rule spread through the city. But the Geneva Council and the populace drove out Farel and Calvin. Farel accepted a call to Neufchatel where he preached to the end of his days in 1565. But Calvin eventually returned to Geneva, transforming into his conception of "The City of God", with incursions into France. Farel again became closely involved with Calvin as a result of the troubles stirred up by Michael Servetus (x1511-1553), whose "heresies" included the support of the Copernican solar system and the (unBibilical) belief that blood circulates in the body. Condemened to die, Calvin offered to speak for Servetus if he would renounce his hereticla beliefs, but the aged Farel reproved such tolerance, and Servetus was burned at the stake.


François Vatable, a renowned Hebrew scholar, "an "upright and oustanding exegete", was one of the tutors which Louise of Savoy procured for her young children, Marguerite and François. Later, Vatable taught Hebrew at the Collège Royale (later renamed Collège de France). In 1534, a suit was brought by the Sorbonne against Vatable and some other lecturers at the Collège Royale, enjoining them not to teach Hebrew and Greek; but king François squelched the suit. Vatable asked Clement Marot to translate the Psalms into French, which pleasedFrançois I.

Clement Marot(1495?-1544), at instigation of François Vatable of the Collège Royals, translated some of the Psalms into French. This translation pleased François I so much that he sent a copy to Emperor Charles V, then his friend. And Charles sent Marot 100 crowns ($5000?). Marot translated more of the Psalms, issuing them in 1543 with a dedication to "the ladies of France". Goudimel set them to music, to be sung in many sections of France. But their approval by Luther and Calvin instigated suspicions of heresy from the Sorbonne. Marot fled to Geneva, but failed to find sanctuary, so slipped into Italy, where he died (1544) in Turin at age 49, leaving an illegitmate daughter in the care of Marguerite.

Pierre Leclerc was the brother of Jean Leclerc who instigated a riot in 1523. Bishop Briçonnet published on his cathedral door a papal bull of indulgences. Jean Leclerc tore this down and replaced it by a placard denouncing the pope as anti-Christ. For this Jean Leclerc was burned alive. In 1546, Pierre Leclerc led a group of Lutherans at Meaux. Fourteen of the group were tortured and burned alive.
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Purgatory

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"in purgatory the souls of those 'who died in the charity of God and truly repentant, but who had not made satisfaction with adequate penance for their sins and omissions,' are cleansed after death with punishments designed to purge away their debt." - Second Vatican Council, "Sacred Liturgy", "Apostolic Constitution on the Revision of Indulgences", no. 3

"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God" - 1 Peter 3:18



The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Christians may have to suffer in Purgatory before going to Heaven in order to complete the atonement for their sins. The Bible tells us, however, that Christ has already, by Himself, suffered to atone for all sins (Hebrews 1:3, Hebrews 9-10). The Catholic Church claims that a person can be forgiven of a sin, yet have to suffer to further atone for the "temporal" portion of that sin. Supposedly, the eucharist, an indulgence, or something else can be offered to complete the atonement for a sin that has been forgiven. Yet, the Bible teaches:

"Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin." - Hebrews 10:18

The concept of a person being forgiven of a sin, yet still needing to make offerings to atone for that sin, is contradicted by scripture. There are consequences to sin, and God disciplines His children (Hebrews 12:6-7), but never for atonement. Only Christ, the just, could suffer once and for all for the atonement of the unjust (1 Peter 3:18). Christians are already perfected (Hebrews 10:14) and complete (Colossians 2:10) in Christ, even before they've been completely sanctified. All suffering for atonement was accomplished by Christ Himself (Hebrews 9-10), eliminating any need for a Purgatory. The completion of the Christian's sanctification, which has nothing to do with atoning for sins, will take place "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52). Christians are sanctified in this life, but that process of sanctification will abruptly be completed at the end of this life through God's power (1 Corinthians 15:52-53, Philippians 3:21), not through suffering in Purgatory.

The scriptures repeatedly refer to believers being at ease, experiencing peace, being with the Lord, etc. upon death or being raptured. Rather than suffering in Purgatory, believers are to expect to go to Heaven upon death or rapture:

"Why did I not perish at birth, and die as I came from the womb? Why were there knees to receive me and breasts that I might be nursed? For now I would be lying down in peace; I would be asleep and at rest with kings and counselors of the earth, who built for themselves places now lying in ruins, with rulers who had gold, who filled their houses with silver. Or why was I not hidden in the ground like a stillborn child, like an infant who never saw the light of day? There the wicked cease from turmoil, and there the weary are at rest. Captives also enjoy their ease; they no longer hear the slave driver’s shout. The small and the great are there, and the slave is freed from his master." - Job 3:11-19

"And I—in righteousness I will see your face; when I awake, I will be satisfied with seeing your likeness." - Psalms 17:15

"You guide me with your counsel, and afterward you will take me into glory. Whom have I in heaven but you?" - Psalms 73:24-25

"The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death." - Isaiah 57:1-2

"As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance." - Daniel 12:13

"Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world." - Matthew 25:34

"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side....But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony." - Luke 16:22, 16:25

"Then he said, 'Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.' Jesus answered him, 'I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.'" - Luke 23:42-43

"In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." - John 14:2-3

"Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. We live by faith, not by sight. We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." - 2 Corinthians 5:1-8

"For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far" - Philippians 1:21-23

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words." - 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

"And he said, 'These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them. Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.'" - Revelation 7:14-17

The doctrine of Purgatory, like so much else the Roman Catholic Church teaches, was a gradual post-apostolic development. Though Catholic apologists often cite prayers for the dead as evidence of early belief in Purgatory, prayers for the dead are never encouraged in the hundreds of scriptural passages that mention prayer. And even the prayers for the dead that became popular in the early post-apostolic era don't support Purgatory. As William Webster explains in The Church of Rome at the Bar of History (Carlisle, Pennsylvania: The Banner of Truth Trust, 1995):



For at least the first two centuries there was no mention of purgatory in the Church. In all the writings of the Apostolic Fathers, Irenaeus and Justin Martyr there is not the slightest allusion to the idea of purgatory. Rome claims that the early Church nevertheless believed in purgatory because it prayed for the dead. This was becoming a common practice by the beginning of the third century but it does not, in itself, prove that the early Church believed in the existence of a purgatory. The written prayers which have survived, and the evidence from the catacombs and burial inscriptions indicate that the early Church viewed deceased Christians as residing in peace and happiness and the prayers offered were for them to have a greater experience of these. As early as Tertullian, in the late second and beginning of the third century, these prayers often use the Latin term refrigerium as a request of God on behalf of departed Christians, a term which means 'refreshment' or 'to refresh' and came to embody the concept of heavenly happiness. So the fact that the early Church prayed for the dead does not support the teaching of purgatory for the nature of the prayers themselves indicate the Church did not view the dead as residing in a place of suffering. (p. 114)



Though Catholic apologists often quote men like Tertullian and Origen referring to something resembling Purgatory, what they believed in was only an early form of the Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory, which would still take centuries longer to develop into what it is today. The earliest post-apostolic writers, who predate Tertullian and Origen by about a hundred years or more, had no concept of a Purgatory.

Clement of Rome, the earliest of the church fathers, writes about Peter, Paul, and some deceased Corinthian presbyters being in Heaven:

"Peter, through unrighteous envy, endured not one or two, but numerous labours and when he had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him....Thus was he [Paul] removed from the world, and went into the holy place, having proved himself a striking example of patience....Blessed are those presbyters who, having finished their course before now, have obtained a fruitful and perfect departure from this world; for they have no fear lest any one deprive them of the place now appointed them." (First Clement, 5, 44)

Papias, a Christian of the late first and early second centuries, wrote concerning Christians and the afterlife:

"As the presbyters say, then those who are deemed worthy of an abode in heaven shall go there, others shall enjoy the delights of Paradise, and others shall possess the splendour of the city; for everywhere the Saviour will be seen, according as they shall be worthy who see Him. But that there is this distinction between the habitation of those who produce an hundredfold, and that of those who produce sixty-fold, and that of those who produce thirty-fold; for the first will be taken up into the heavens, the second class will dwell in Paradise, and the last will inhabit the city; and that on this account the Lord said, 'In my Father's house are many mansions:' for all things belong to God, who supplies all with a suitable dwelling-place, even as His word says, that a share is given to all by the Father, according as each one is or shall be worthy. And this is the couch in which they shall recline who feast, being invited to the wedding. The presbyters, the disciples of the apostles, say that this is the gradation and arrangement of those who are saved, and that they advance through steps of this nature; and that, moreover, they ascend through the Spirit to the Son, and through the Son to the Father; and that in due time the Son will yield up His work to the Father, even as it is said by the apostle, 'For He must reign till He hath put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.' For in the times of the kingdom the just man who is on the earth shall forget to die. 'But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted which did put all things under Him. And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.'" (Fragments, 5)

Papias refers to different degrees of reward in Heaven (1 Corinthians 3:11-15), but says nothing of Christians suffering in Purgatory.

Polycarp, a disciple of the apostle John, wrote:

"I exhort you all, therefore, to yield obedience to the word of righteousness, and to exercise all patience, such as ye have seen set before your eyes, not only in the case of the blessed Ignatius, and Zosimus, and Rufus, but also in others among yourselves, and in Paul himself, and the rest of the apostles. This do in the assurance that all these have not run in vain, but in faith and righteousness, and that they are now in their due place in the presence of the Lord, with whom also they suffered. For they loved not this present world, but Him who died for us, and for our sakes was raised again by God from the dead." (The Epistle of Polycarp to the Philippians, 9)

When Polycarp died as a martyr, an account of his martyrdom was written and circulated among the churches afterward, part of which reads:

"For, having through patience overcome the unjust governor, and thus acquired the crown of immortality, he now, with the apostles and all the righteous in heaven, rejoicingly glorifies God" (The Martyrdom of Polycarp, 19)

Catholic apologists may attempt to avoid the implications of these comments by suggesting that these people were viewed as going right to Heaven only because they died as martyrs. However, the concept that martyrs would not have to go to Purgatory is a later concept, one which we can't read back into the writings of this time. And not all of the people mentioned in the comments above died as martyrs anyway. The earliest post-apostolic Christians, like the apostolic Christians, did not believe in a Purgatory.

Catholics suggest that Purgatory is at least alluded to in passages such as Matthew 5:26, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:15, Colossians 1:24, and 1 Peter 3:19-20. Do such passages actually support Purgatory, though?

Matthew 5:26 is part of an analogy Jesus makes concerning the sin of hatred. Catholic apologists suggest that since Jesus refers to a person remaining in prison until he's "paid the last cent", that might be a reference to people suffering in Purgatory until their sins have been completely atoned for. But if Jesus is referring to the afterlife, as opposed to just referring to the consequences of sin in this life, He's referring to Hell, not Purgatory. In verse 22, He mentions Hell. Somebody who goes into eternity without having the sin of hatred atoned for would go to Hell, not any Purgatory. The person would indeed be there until he had "paid the last cent", but we know from other passages that the price is paid eternally (Matthew 25:46, Revelation 21:10).

Matthew 12:32 doesn't actually support Purgatory either. In the parallel passages in the other gospels (Mark 3:29, Luke 12:10), the sin is described as "never" being forgiven and "not" being forgiven. Obviously, the message is that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is an eternal sin. Many people believe, as I do, that this sin must be a rejection of Christ, since that's the only sin that would keep us from accepting forgiveness for every other sin. Just because Matthew 12:32 mentions that a sin won't be forgiven in the afterlife, that doesn't mean that people have an opportunity to have sins forgiven through Purgatory. The Catholic Church teaches that Purgatory is for the atonement of sins that are already forgiven, so the passage isn't even relevant.

1 Corinthians 3:15, another passage often cited in support of Purgatory, is about works being evaluated. Paul uses the imagery of fire, but the works are burned, not the person. Since Paul writes that even a person without any good works can be saved (1 Corinthians 3:15), as long as he's resting on the foundation of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 3:11), the passage actually contradicts Catholic teaching about salvation and works rather than supporting Catholic teaching about Purgatory.

Colossians 1:24 also has nothing to do with any Purgatory. Christ alone suffered once and for all to atone for all sins (Isaiah 53:5, 53:10-11, Hebrews 1:3, Hebrews 9-10, 1 Peter 3:18, 1 John 1:7). Christians are released from sin through His blood (Revelation 1:5). They don't have a shackle remaining on one of their legs that has to be burned away in Purgatory. What is Colossians 1:24 about, then? It's about Christ's ministerial suffering, not His redemptive suffering. In other words, Christ alone suffered for our redemption, but He didn't endure all of the suffering needed to accomplish everything that the church is to accomplish. In that regard, there is suffering that remains to be endured by individual Christians throughout history. John Walvoord and Roy Zuck write:



This reconciliation by Christ of Jews and Gentiles to God in one body is a mystery revealed only in Christ. Paul rejoiced that he was able to suffer for them what was still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions. By this he did not mean that Christ’s suffering on the cross was insufficient (cf. Rom. 3:21-26; Heb. 10:10-14). He was speaking not of salvation but of service. Christ’s suffering alone procures salvation (1 Peter 1:11; 5:1; Heb. 2:9). But it is a believer’s privilege to suffer for Christ (2 Tim. 3:11; 1 Peter 3:13-14; 5:9; Heb. 10:32). The word 'affliction' (thlipsis)—never used in the New Testament of Christ’s death—means 'distress,' 'pressure,' or 'trouble' (which Paul had plenty of; 2 Cor. 11:23-29). Ordinarily it refers to trials in life, not the pains of death. Christ does indeed continue to suffer when Christians suffer for Him. He asked Saul (later called Paul) on the Damascus Road, 'Why do you persecute Me?' (Acts 9:4) Since the church is Christ’s body, He is affected when it is affected. For the sake of Christ’s body Paul willingly suffered (Phil. 1:29). (Logos Library System [Oak Harbor, Washington: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997], The Bible Knowledge Commentary)



Warren Wiersbe writes:



In v. 24, Paul is not saying that he suffered as Jesus did or that his suffering was a part of Christ’s suffering on the cross. Rather, he is saying that as Christ suffered for others, so he suffers for others, and his suffering is on behalf of the body, the church. The word for 'suffering' here is never the one used for the sufferings of Christ on the cross. It speaks rather of His sufferings during His earthly ministry, sufferings that God’s people experience as they seek to live for Christ in a hostile world. (Logos Library System [Oak Harbor, Washington: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997], Wiersbe’s Expository Outlines on the New Testament)



William MacDonald writes in his Believer's Bible Commentary (Nashville, Tennessee: Thomas Nelson Publishers, Inc., 1995):



First of all, this cannot refer to the atoning sufferings of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. Those were finished once and for all, and no man could ever share in them....

Thus, the Apostle Paul looks on all the suffering that Christians are required to go through for the sake of the Lord Jesus as being part of the sufferings of Christ which still remain. They include suffering for righteousness' sake, suffering for His sake (bearing His reproach), and for the gospel's sake. (p. 1997)



Catholic apologists often claim that they don't deny the sufficiency of Christ's finished work of redemption, yet their interpretation of Colossians 1:24 does deny it. Paul refers to something that is actually lacking in Christ's suffering. It isn't possible, then, to claim that Paul is referring to Christ's redemptive suffering while claiming, at the same time, that Christ's redemptive suffering is sufficient. The passage obviously has nothing to do with Christ's redemptive suffering, making it irrelevant to Purgatory, indulgences, and every other false doctrine for which Catholic apologists cite this passage as support.

1 Peter 3:19-20, though often cited in support of Purgatory, also fails to actually support the doctrine. This passage is one of the most controversial in all of the Bible. Nobody knows who the "spirits in prison" are. The passage may just mean that Christ told the souls in Hell about what He had accomplished at Calvary, which could have saved them if only they had believed. There are other possible interpretations as well. The reference in verse 20 to the people having been "disobedient" suggests that what's being discussed is Hell, not Heaven or any Purgatory. Whatever Peter is referring to, the passage isn't enough of a basis upon which to build a doctrine such as Purgatory, especially when so many other passages contradict the doctrine.

Catholic apologists anachronistically read Purgatory into passages of the New Testament, but none of the passages they cite actually support the concept. Other passages contradict the doctrine.

Not only is the doctrine of Purgatory not supported by anything Jesus and the apostles taught, but it also has led many people into disobeying God and following false gospels. The Protestant historian Philip Schaff wrote, concerning the selling of indulgences:



Nowhere, except in the lives of the popes themselves, did the humiliation of the Western Church find more conspicuous exhibition than in the sale of indulgences. The forgiveness of sins was bought and sold for money, and this sacred privilege formed the occasion of the rupture of Western Christendom...

In the thirteenth century, it came to be regarded as a remission of the penalty of sin itself, both here and in purgatory. At a later stage, it was regarded, at least in wide circles, as a release from the guilt of sin as well as from its penalty....

St. Peter's Dome is at once the glory and the shame of papal Rome. It was built over the bones of the Galilaean fisherman, with the proceeds from the sale of indulgences which broke up the unity of Western Christendom. The magnificent structure was begun in 1506 under Pope Julius II., and completed in 1626 at a cost of forty-six millions scudi, and is kept up at an annual expense of thirty thousand scudi (dollars).

Jesus began his public ministry with the expulsion of the profane traffickers from the court of the temple. The Reformation began with a protest against the traffic in indulgences which profaned and degraded the Christian religion.

The difficult and complicated doctrine of indulgences is peculiar to the Roman Church. It was unknown to the Greek and Latin fathers. It was developed by the mediaeval schoolmen, and sanctioned by the Council of Trent (Dec. 4, 1563), yet without a definition and with an express warning against abuses and evil gains....

The granting of indulgences degenerated, after the time of the crusades, into a regular traffic, and became a source of ecclesiastical and monastic wealth. A good portion of the profits went into the papal treasury. Boniface VIII. issued the first Bull of the jubilee indulgence to all visitors of St. Peter's in Rome (1300). It was to be confined to Rome, and to be repeated only once in a hundred years, but it was afterwards extended and multiplied as to place and time.

The idea of selling and buying by money the remission of punishment and release from purgatory was acceptable to ignorant and superstitious people, but revolting to sound moral feeling. It roused, long before Luther, the indignant protest of earnest minds, such as Wiclif in England, Hus in Bohemia, John von Wesel in Germany, John Wessel in Holland, Thomas Wyttenbach in Switzerland, but without much effect.

The Lateran Council of 1517 allowed the Pope to collect one-tenth of all the ecclesiastical property of Christendom, ostensibly for a war against the Turks; but the measure was carried only by a small majority of two or three votes, and the minority objected that there was no immediate prospect of such a war. The extortions of the Roman curia became an intolerable burden to Christendom, and produced at last a successful protest which cost the papacy the loss of its fairest possessions....

The common people eagerly embraced this rare offer of salvation from punishment, and made no clear distinction between the guilt and punishment of sin; after the sermon they approached with burning candles the chest, confessed their sins, paid the money, and received the letter of indulgence which they cherished as a passport to heaven. But intelligent and pious men were shocked at such scandal. The question was asked, whether God loved money more than justice, and why the Pope, with his command over the boundless treasury of extra-merits, did not at once empty the whole purgatory for the rebuilding of St. Peter's, or build it with his own money.

Tetzel approached the dominions of the Elector of Saxony, who was himself a devout worshiper of relics, and had great confidence in indulgences, but would not let him enter his territory from fear that he might take too much money from his subjects. So Tetzel set up his trade on the border of Saxony, at Jueterbog, a few hours from Wittenberg.

There he provoked the protest of the Reformer, who had already in the summer of 1516 preached a sermon of warning against trust in indulgences, and had incurred the Elector's displeasure by his aversion to the whole system, although he himself had doubts about some important questions connected with it.

Luther had experienced the remission of sin as a free gift of grace to be apprehended by a living faith. This experience was diametrically opposed to a system of relief by means of payments in money. It was an irrepressible conflict of principle. He could not be silent when that barter was carried to the very threshold of his sphere of labor. As a preacher, a pastor, and a professor, he felt it to be his duty to protest against such measures: to be silent was to betray his theology and his conscience. (The Master Christian Library [Albany, Oregon: AGES Software, 1998], History of the Christian Church, Vol. 6, p. 555; Vol. 7, pp. 118-120, 123-124)



The truth is that there is no Purgatory. Even when the apostle Paul knew he was imperfect (Philippians 3:12), he knew he would go to be with the Lord when he died (Philippians 1:21-23). We read in scripture:

"These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple" - Revelation 7:14-15

People go to Heaven because of what Christ has done for them, not because of what they've done for Christ. The ungodly person who believes in Christ while not working (Romans 4:5-6) is assured of avoiding God's wrath (Romans 5:9-10) as a free gift of God's grace (Romans 6:23). God invites anybody who thirsts to...

"take the water of life without cost" - Revelation 22:17







"They preach human folly who pretend that as soon as money in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs." - Martin Luther, 95 Theses, Thesis 27

"For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich." - 2 Corinthians 8:9

"Jesus Christ...loves us, and released us from our sins by His blood" - Revelation 1:5


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The Pagan Origin Of Purgatory


The term of what afterward grew into the doctrine of purgatory is to be found in the idea of a purification by fire after death among the ancients long before the time of Christ, particularly among the people of India and Persia. It was a familiar idea to the Egyptians and later to the Greek and Roman mind. Plato accepted the idea and gave expression to it in his philosophy. He taught that perfect happiness after death was not possible until one had made satisfaction for his sins, and that if his sins were too great his suffering would have no end.
Following the conquests of Alexander the Great, Greek influences spread through all the countries of western Asia, including Palestine. We have seen that it found expression in 2 Maccabees. The Rabbis began to teach that by means of sin offerings, children could alleviate the sufferings of deceased parents. Later Jewish speculation divided the underworld into two abodes, Paradise, a place of happiness, and Gehenna, a place of torment.

We need only read church history to discover how this doctrine developed by slow processes into it's present form. In the early Christian era, following the Apostolic age, the writings of Marcion and the Shepherd of Hermes (second century) set forth the first statement of a doctrine of purgatory, alleging that Christ after His death on the cross went to the underworld and preached to the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19) and led them in triumph to heaven, Prayers for the dead appear in the early Christian liturgies and imply the doctrine since they suggest that the state of the dead is not yet fixed. Origen, the most learned of the early church fathers (died 254 A.D.), taught, first, that a purification by fire was to take place after the resurrection, and second, a universal restoration, a purifying by fire at the end of the world through which all men and angels were to be restored to favor with God.

In the writings of Augustine (died, 430 A.D.) the doctrine of purgatory was first given definite form, although he himself expressed doubt about some phases of it. It was, however, not until the sixth century that it received formal shape at the hands of Gregory the Great, who held the papal office from 590 to 604 A.D. Thereafter eschatology entered upon what we may term it's mythological phase, during the period of history known as the Dark Ages. The invisible world was divided into heaven, hell, and purgatory, with the imagination attempting to portray as vividly as possible the topography and experiences of each region.

The doctrine was proclaimed an article of faith in 1439, by the Council of Florence, and was later confirmed by the Council of Trent, in 1548. But does any intelligent person believe that such a place as purgatory is described in the Bible it would have taken the church fathers 600 years to discover it, and another 1,000 years to confirm it? At any rate the Protestant Reformation swept away those creations of terror and fancy, and reverted to the Scriptural antithesis of heaven and hell. The Eastern Orthodox Church, incidentally, does not teach the doctrine of purgatory.

Alexander Hislop, in his exhaustive study of the origin of Roman Catholic doctrines, finds that the doctrine of purgatory was adopted from paganism in Babylonian, Greek, and Roman mythology:

"In Egypt, substantially the same doctrine of purgatory was inculcated. But when once this doctrine of purgatory was admitted into the popular mind, then the door was open for all manner of priestly extortions. Prayers for the dead ever do hand in hand with purgatory; but no prayers can be completely efficacious without the interposition of the priest and no priestly functions can be rendered unless there by special pay for them. Therefore, in every land we find the pgan priesthood devouring widows houses, and making merchandise of the tendor feelings of beloved dead" (The Two Babylons, p. 168).

That the doctrine of purgatory is unscriptural can be shown easily. The Bible says nothing about any such place, and in fact the most devastating arguements against purgatory come from those inspired pages. Christ made not even so much as a passing allusion to purgatory. Instead He said: "He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life" (John 5:24). Hence eternal life is already possessed by the soul that believes on Christ and there can be no possible condemnation of that soul. When Jesus said to the penitent theif on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43), the clear inference was that at his death he would go immediately to heaven, Christ's words, "It is finished" (John 19:30), spoken at the end of His suffering on the cross, mean that the work of redemption which He came to perform has been accomplished, finished, not partially, but completely.

The apostle John teaches the same: "The blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin... If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:7, 9). Hence our sins, all of them, are forgiven through the sacrifice of Christ, and none are left to be purged away by human merit. And again: "And I heard a voice from heaven saying, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord form henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them" (Revelation 14:13).

Paul's teachings on this subject is quite full. He anticipated no purgatory, but said that to depart was to "be with Christ, and that it would be "very far better" (Phillippians 1:23). While we are "at home in the body" we are "absent from the Lord", but to be "absent from the body" is to be "at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8). To the Phillippians he wrote: "For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain" (1:21). In answer to the question "What must I do to be saved? he gives the straightforward answer: "Trust in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved" (Acts 16:31).

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THE BIBLE SAYS THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO HEAVEN.

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)

NOBODY ELSE CAN HELP YOU.

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (1 Timothy 2:5) "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)

WHAT YOU MUST DO:

1. ADMIT you are a sinner, and that only the Lord Jesus can save you. (Romans 3:23) 2. REPENT: be willing to turn away from sin and submit to God. (Luke 13:5) 3. BELIEVE that the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross and shed his blood to pay the price for your sins, and that he arose again. (Romans 10:9) 4. ASK God to save you. (Romans 10:13) 5. ASK Jesus Christ to be the Lord (take control) of your life. (Romans 12:1-2)

IF YOU REALLY MADE JESUS YOUR LORD (KING), THEN ACT LIKE IT!

1. Read your Bible every day to get to know Christ better. 2. Talk to God in prayer every day. 3. Find a church where the Bible is taught as the complete Word of God and is the final authority. 4. Obey Christ's command and be baptized. (Matthew 28:19)

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