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BRIAN ROSS, KATE McCARTHY, and ANGELA M. HILL from ABC News on January 28, 2009 reported on a CIA station chief in Algeria being accused of raping at least 2 Muslim women. The CIA station chief was accused by the Muslim women of lacing their drinks with a knock out drug (according to U.S. law enforcement sources told ABC News). Ironically, the 41-year old CIA officer is a convert to Islam. He was ordered to come home in October 2008 by David Pearce, who is an U.S. Ambassador. There has been a discovery of over a dozen of videotapes showing the CIA officer doing sex acts with other women. This has led the Justice Department to broaden its investigation to include at least one other mostly Arabic country, which is Egypt. This is where the CIA officer had been working at earlier in his career according to law enforcement officials. The U.S. State Department referred questions to the Department of Justice, which declined to comment. The CIA official is named Warren. The affidavit says that the first victim claimed that he was raped by Warren in September of 2007. She was invited to a party at Warren's residence by U.S. embassy employees. She told a State Department investigator that Warren mixed a drink of cola and whiskey. Later, she felt a violent onset of nausea. She woke up lying on the bed and nude plus without knowledge of how she was undressed. The second victim had a similar story. She said that Warren wrote a text message saying I'm sorry to the second victim. This CIA official is obviously a rapist and sick if these allegations are true. Most probably they are true since most women will not lie about these circumstances at all. Both women have reportedly since given sworn statements to federal prosecutors sent from Washington to prepare a possible criminal case against the CIA officer. Warren (along side Algerian intelligence) fought al-Qaeda members in Algeria. "Rape is ugly in any context," said Coleman, who praised the bravery of the alleged Algerian victims in going to authorities. "Rape is viewed as very shameful to women, and I think this is an opportunity for the U.S. to show how seriously it takes the issue of rape," she said. Warren obviously has issues and ought to be punished for his rape of at least 2 women.

Media bias against pro-life people is very commonplace. Some journalists now go out and protest in pro-abortion rallies. This is a betrayal of their neutrality. Now, the media is having a near media blackout of the March for Life celebrations that occured throughout the country. The March for Life mourns the death of the unborn each year on January 22nd. That was the date when the infernal decision of Roe v. Wade was enacted by the Supreme Court in 1973. Roe admitted that she used deception in order for the Court to support her case. Now, Roe has flipped her position on abortion to become strongly Pro-Life. Most of the mainstream media ignore the protests since most of them are completely pro-abortion. It's a disgrace, but that is the way it is. This is the disservice to the public in order to educate people on the truth about the murder of abortion. Thousands of protestors came up in Washington D.C, California, etc. to express their First Amendment views. The number of people at the rally was more than 300,000 people along with additional crowds against Roe v. Wade in other cities. The brother of Terri Schiavo spoke about the secular media in the March for life event. This news comes after Barack Obama made the huge mistake of using our taxpayer dollars to fund abortions internationally. The bias of the media is so apparent that their mainstream newspapers had been less and less popular. The independent media and the alternative media from the Internet have more accurate information anyway beyond what the mainstream media presents.

The North American currency is a real issue. Some have advocated for such a currency. It could happen in our lifetime, because of the economic troubles presently transpiring in America. Investors are trying to hold tight of their investments. Folks are calling for the new world order. There is hyperinflation and debt problems that have caused the devaluing of the U.S. dollar currency. Years ago, the Federal Reserve wanted a two-tierred currency system (one for U.S. citizens and one for foreigners) to combat the possibility of having zero-bound interest rates. Canadian economist Herbert Grubel first introduced a potential manifestation of this concept (of a North American currency system) in 1999. A proposed North American Currency -- called the "Amero" in select circles -- would effectively comingle the Canadian dollar, U.S. dollar and Mexican peso. The SPP or the Security Prosperity and Partnership plan promoted the idea of an intergrated North American political entity (it has been opposed rightfully by individuals from across the political spectrum). There are uninteded consequences if a North American currency is realized. They include how there is a merging of the countries of Mexico, America, and Canada politically. Other elitists have promoted an amero like currency, because of our economic problems. More researchers are proving that this present economic distress have been contrived (via the FED's policies, the war on terror, lax control over corrupt banking practices, and other reasons) in order to promote more globalization (and to consolidate wealth into the hands of the international bankers). The future will see more and more gradual steps into a global government system. These are strange times to live in, because people are waking up. Yet, at the same time, new threats pop up (from the federal government have draconian powers over the lives of citizens, economic tribulations, government sponsored terrorism, etc.) that threaten the present existence of the United States of America. The lesson here is that we should have economic reform in America. If things go too bad, we ought to be prepared for a crisis. We should have back up food, back up water, a place to stay, and basic understanding of our laws (and exposing the new world order agenda indeed). We should be wise about our times, but prepared for a worst-case scenario as well.

There is the Davos meeting going on in Switzerland. This dealt with economic issues. The meeting is called the 2009 World Economic Forum. The forum's founder was named Klau Schwab told CNN that the current economic slowdown is a "transformational crisis" that should be utilized to shape a "new world." So, these economic leaders want a new world order as it is being promoted in various meetings. Schwab wants a new world after the onset of this worldwide economic crisis. Speaking from the Davos conference yesterday, Nouriel Roubini, New York University professor at the Stern School of Business, told CNBC the global banking system is "effectively insolvent." Roubini said that the crisis will go beyond subprime loans. He said it may extend into bad loans in consumer credit cards, car loans, and students loans (like commercial loans that have been packaged into securities sold as assets to banks and brokerage firms). He said that the bad asset crisis could amount to $3.6 trillion. Roubini wants Barack Obama to nationalize troubled banks, not just investing bailout cash (which is called the Swedish solution). This is about letting U.S. government bureaucrats to rule over troubled banks. Stiglitz believes in this plan as well. It's apparent that the government can complicate matters. Everyone believes that something should be done to help people who are suffering. It's a shame that this is happening and some people have orchrestated these problems in the first place.

Concentration camps have been created in America for decades. There is new legislation that authorizes FEMA camps in the United States now. The bill is being introduced into Congress that allows the Department of Homeland Security to set up this network of FEMA camp facilities (in order to house U.S. citizens in the event of a "national emergency"). This bill is called HR 645 or the National Emergency Centers Act. This legislation also states that the camps will be used to “provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations." The bill also states that the camps will meet other needs as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security. In essence, this bill gives a mandate to force the detention of American citizens in cases of emergencies or a total economic collapse. Some believe that if there is a total economic breakdown in Ameirca, riots will occur that will dwarf what is going on in Greece or Iceland. Right now, there are active duty personnel under Northcom doing duties that violate Posse Comitatus. The bill mandates that 6 seperate facilities exist in the 6 different FEMA regions that exist in America. These camps are command and control centers as well with first responders (along with officials form all levels of government form the federal, state, and local). The bill has language that will make camps to be established within closed or already operation military bases nationwide. This is fascism at its finest since FEMA concentration camps are being built right now secretly (i.e. in early 2006 Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root was awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency). Like always, this bill veils itself by using migrant holding centers as its justification. As far back as 2002, FEMA sought bids from major real estate and engineering firms to construct giant internment facilities in the case of a chemical, biological or nuclear attack or a natural disaster. There was also the the Pentagon’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program, was more recently updated and the revision details a “template for developing agreements” between the Army and corrections facilities for the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations.” Urban training drills have always occured to prepare the further militarization of society (even having the stimulation of arresting American citizens and taking them into internment camps). You have to be careful and oppose HR 645. FEMA Camps is always related to the police state control grid system of the elite.

Richard Holbrooke is an infamous establishment liberal figure in American politics. Richard is more neo conservative on foreign policy than what is typically revealed. Barack Obama choose him to be the special U.S. representative to Pakistan and Afghanistan. This comes on the heels of when an U.S. spy plane killed at 15 people in Pakistan, which was near the Afghanistan border. This action was illegal. It was the first American violation of Pakistani sovereignity in the new administration. This shows that the Barack Obama administration is even more hawkish toward Pakistan than George W. Bush. Appointing Hoolbrooke is the continuation of a bad foreign policy that the neo cons definitely embraced. Richard Holbrooke is very intelligent, but intelligence alone doesn't justify some of the actions he performed back years ago. In 1975 (during the administration of the late 33rd Degree Freemason Gerald Ford), Indonesia invaded East Timor. Indonesia murdered about 200,000 indigenous Timoerese. The Indoneisan invasion of East Timor caused a bloodly occupation, which ended in 1999 (when a peacekeeping force came there). Transcripts between the Indonesian dictator Mohamed Suharto, Gerald Ford, and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger have shown conclusively that Kissinger and Ford authorized and encouraged Suhatro’s murderous actions. Days before Suharto's bloodbath, President Ford said that: "...We will understand and will not press you on the issue [of East Timor]...We understand the problem and the intentions you have..." Henry Kissinger didn't worry about the U.S. sending military arms to Indonesia. he was concerned about whether US arms would be used offensively, but whether the act could be interpreted as illegal. Kissinger went on: “It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly.” Jimmy Carter became President after Ford was defeated in the 1976 election. Ironically, Carter supported giving arms to Suharto's government (this is despite of the fact that there was a ban on arms trades to Suharto's government). Richard Holbrooke in the 1970's authorized additional arms shipments to Indonesia during this supposed blockade. Many scholars have noted that this was the period when the Indonesian suppression of the Timorese reached genocidal levels. In the Carter administration, Hoolbrooke (who was once an advisor to Al Gore) was on the Department of State’s Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs. In 2000, he praised neo con Paul Wolfowitz as an asset in the new adminstration when in reality he was a liability. To this day, he justifies funding the bloody campaign against the Timorese people. He said that Indonesia was a member of OPEC, a big oil producer, and apart of Non-Aligned Movement (so, funding that brutal regime was necessary in his mind).That's wrong of course. This shows that we don't need that war mognering mindset in the world and the war on terror has been blatantly illegitimate (from the Western creation of al-Qaeda, the torture going on, and to the violation of our civil liberties). Hoolbroke was a former ambassador of the globalist United Nations. He brokered the Dayton Peace Accords after Bosnia and Serbia was bombed by U.S./NATO forces.

George Mitchell is the new envoy to the Middle East. He is sent to the Middle East in order to secure a lasting ceasefire in Gaza. The White House wants to strengthen the power of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority. George Mitchell is not only a CFR member, but he was a director of the Council on Foreign Relations. He was apponted in federal politics as early as under the adminstration of President Jimmy Carter. According to Tom Kovach, Mitchell is chairman of the second largest law firm in the world named DLA Piper. This firm worked with Dubai. Mitchell sits on the steering committee of the American Friends of Bilderberg along with such luminaries as Conrad Black, Henry Kissinger, and David Rockefeller, Ditto Richard Holbrooke. George Mitchell comes to the Middle East after the recent 22 day war between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The Barack Obama administration wants to speed up the Peace Process among Israel and the Palestinians. They are doing this since the CFR, the Vatican, and other interests are in support of a Peace Process (not in the interests of Israel or the Palestinians. It's in the interests of the global elite who want the Middle East to be a major political/religious capital of the new world order. Also, it's a way to create a Palestinian state on the elite's terms not on the terms of the Palestinian people at all). There has been decades of Western intervention in the peace process. If you want peace in the Middle East, you have to allow Middle Eastern nations the primary responsibility in solving their own problem. I don't agree with isolationism, but I don't agree with an overbearing influence toward Israel or the Palestinians at all.

Secret Societies still exist. The Shriners is a Masonic group rifed with controversy. Many of them have been arrested by authorities for fraud and sexual abuses. The reason is that many Shriners have sexual parties with women. That isn't just wrong since these parties exploit women. Also, many of the Shriners are married men that commit adultery. One former Shriner is named Robert Steven Brodzin. He was sentenced for 41 months in prison since stole more than $828,000 from the Shriners Hospital. All Shriners are high level Scottish Rite Freemasons, high level York Rite Freemasons, or other high level members of secret socieites. Shriners claim that they help children with ailments. There is nothing wrong with helping children. Yet, the Shriners swear an oath to Allah and have many pagan symbols on their own logo. Also, the Shriners are apart of the Masonic network (with Universalism, embrace of the occult including the Kabbalah, death oaths, and other unscriptural concepts). As for the Jesuits, there is more information on this order. Now, the Jesuit Antonio Possevino lived from 1534 to 1611. He was sent into Sweden by then Pope Gregory XIII in 1578 in order to influence the course of the Livonian War (between Russia and Sweden). So, even back then, the Jesuits were influencing wars. He helped end the war while he was in Russia at 1582. He wanted the Czar of Russia to unify with the Roman Catholic Church, but he failed.

By Timothy

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Warning: Explicit Language.

The Truth on Walt Disney

http://www.whale.to/b/disney.html

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/the_disney_bloodlinept1.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/disney1.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/disney2.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/narnia.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Hellivision/waltdisney.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg2T_t2UtlU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibK0SCpIkk&feature=related

http://www.asis.com/users/stag/starchiv/transcriptions/IllMovies.html

http://www.illuminati-news.com/walt-disney-agenda.htm

More of Troy's Research

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=5759

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Winston Smith wrote:

The sun orbiting the earth assertion creases me every time. :lol:

Well none of us know do we? All we've got to go on is what Jesuit-directed High-level Masonic-ran space missions have told us & presented. Geocentricity is not that same as Flat Earth advocacy, as some would have othere believe. You should look into it, whether you alter your opinion or not, at least you'll see that there is a substantial body of analysis on the subject. Just enter "geocentricity" into a search engine.

I will post below a recent email posting of mine:

POPE PRAISES GALILEO'S ASTRONOMY

Do the following phrases in the Bible or others imply that the Earth is stationary & the Sun revolutionary?

Does the word "revolutionary" for that matter denote the solar-beliefs of the high-level Occultists?

Did the Vatican ever truly believe in Geocentrism or was Galileo punished for revealing secret Occult doctrines that were actually favoured by the Dragon?

I will post below some passages from Psalms that have been used to support Geocentricity as Biblical.

Whether these are written to speak to the perspective of the observer or if they denote precise physical relativity I have yet to draw a conclusion.

Some of many Biblical phrases suggested to support Geocentricity. Other can be found at the Wikipedia article at the link below those:

Pss.19

[1] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
[2] Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
[3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
[4] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
[5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
[6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Pss.93

[1] The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

This Wikipedia article may also be of some interest & use:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentricity

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7794668.stm

Quote:

Pope praises Galileo's astronomy Pope Benedict XVI in the Vatican's St Peter's Basilica (11/12/2008) Pope Benedict had been accused of condoning the heresy charge Pope Benedict XVI has paid tribute to 17th-Century astronomer Galileo Galilei, whose scientific theories once drew the wrath of the Catholic Church. The Pope was speaking at events marking the 400th anniversary of Galileo's earliest observations with a telescope. He said an understanding of the laws of nature could stimulate appreciation of God's work. In 1992, Pope John Paul said the church's denunciation of Galileo's work had been a tragic error. Galileo used his scientific methods to demonstrate that the Earth revolved around the Sun and not the other way around. His view directly challenged the church's view at the time - that the Earth was static and at the centre of the universe. Galileo was accused of heresy in 1633 and forced to publically recant his theories. He lived the rest of his life under house arrest at his villa in the hills outside Florence. Pope Benedict had been criticised in the past for appearing to condone the heresy verdict against Galileo.

As I asked above:

Do the ... phrases in the Bible [posted above] or others imply that the Earth is stationary & the Sun revolutionary?

Does the word "revolutionary" for that matter denote the solar-beliefs of the high-level Occultists?

Did the Vatican ever truly believe in Geocentrism or was Galileo punished for revealing secret Occult doctrines that were actually favoured by the Dragon?

-Troy

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http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/12/25/rothschilds-papal-royal-knights/

ROTHSCHILDS: PAPAL & ROYAL KNIGHTS



For those who doubt the balance of power between the Rothschilds, British Royalty & the Papacy, I have compiled the following collection of information showing verifiable Papal & Royal knighthoods bestowed on the Rothschilds. These do not include any deduced or hearsay knighthoods. Note that in the Grand scheme of things these knighthoods are not even from the most elite of such orders, e.g. the Garter or the Bath to name but two.

I would draw your attention to the two following articles which reveal many of the covert connections in European (& thus international) finance, politics, military & intelligence. These give a taste of the extent of influence of Catholic & Papal-loyal elites, including knighthood orders such as the SMOM (Knights of Malta) & Franco-Neapolitan branch of the Constantinian Order. The Venetian & Genoese aristocracy & their so called Black Nobility descendants are given some context here too:

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3205_italy_black_prince.html

http://www.isgp.eu/organisations/Le_Cercle.htm

There are other good sources that touch on the Vatican’s wealth, including David Yallop’s “In God’s Name” (which is by no means an anti-Catholic polemic).

How anyone can think that the Rothschilds are the pinnacle of power is beyond me. Very powerful? Yes. The mind behind the all-seeing eye? No way. We have to look much deeper beyond these Kabbalistically-minded businessmen. While not wishing to diminish the truth about their influence, we must keep things in perspective.

Sir Evelyn de Rothschild, former head of the now British Rothschild banking interests (now united with the French Rothschild banking interests & overseen since 2003 by David René de Rothschild) being interviewed on intelligence-controlled television & his son David Mayer de Rothschild on the Alex Jones radio show? Hilarious.


Evelyn de Rothschild US & UK TV interviews, late 2008:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ze4riLuy_e8


Link



http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/10035/EVELYN_DE_ROTHSCHILD_THE_ILLUMINATI_LEADER/

Watch the end of the latter one for some humour. The English interviewer was most pleased with his encounter!


David Mayer de Rothschild interviewed by Alex “CIA asset, Jesuit Coadjutor” Jones on the matter of Live Earth concert, which event took place on the Kabbalistically-significant 7/7/07:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4891699310483983031


Link


The Jesuit Superior-General Adolfo Nicolas, Pope Benedict XVI, SMOM Grand Master Matthew Festing, Constantinian Grand Masters the Duke of Castro & Duke of Calabria, Queen Elizabeth II: would any of them lower themselves in this manner? No chance. Most people have only heard about the Pope & the Queen out of that lot. They make fork-tongued speeches for the Profane to accept on face value.

Evelyn de Rothschild was invested as a Knight in 1989, though not of any Order that I have been able to find. This would mean that he is a Knight Bachelor. Some conspiracy sites state that he is a Knight of the British Empire, however I have only been able to confirm that his dynastic cousin Lord Jacob is a knight of that order:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p19559.htm#i195583

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Bachelor

Lord Jacob (the 4th Baron) Rothschild was made a Member of the Queen’s Order of Merit (personally selected & bestowed by the Monarch, this is directly below the rank of Knight Grand Commander of the Order of the Bath in terms of honour) in 2002 & Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire in 1998. Note that his title of Baron Rothschild is a UK title going back to 1885. He is also - & perhaps confusingly - the 5th Baronet Rothschild, a UK title going back to 1847 & the current Baron von Rothschild, an Austrian Empire title dating back to 1822. We should also note that in 1985 he was made a Commander of the Order of Henry the Navigator of Portugal:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p5338.htm#i53379

His father Lord Victor (the 3rd Baron) Rothschild was made a Knight Grand Cross of the British Empire in 1975 & was also a Knight of the Queen’s Order of St John:

See: http://www.thepeerage.com/p7108.htm#i71075

The Queen, as Sovereign of the Order of St John (& of the Order of Sts Michael & George, which just recently bestowed an Honorary Knighthood on Jesuit/Vatican asset & Freemason Shimon Peres) is the head of a franchise of the Pope’s Order of Malta, the SMOM. Thus she is a Dame of Malta. As the Rothschilds defer to Queen, so do they both defer to the Papacy & ultimately to the Jesuit General.

For good databases of Sir Evelyn & Lord Jacob’s (& Lord Victor’s) New World Order-related connections, see:

http://isgp.eu/organisations/introduction/PEHI_Jacob_de_Rothschild_bio.htm

http://www.isgp.eu/organisations/introduction/PEHI_Evelyn_de_Rothschild_bio.htm

There is also a bio for the French Baron Edmond de Rothschild there:

http://isgp.eu/organisations/introduction/Wik_Baron_Edmond_de_Rothschild.htm

The current Lord Rothschild’s son, Nat, has no such honours & nor does his cousin David Mayer de Rothschild, nor does the united French & British Rothschilds banking head David René de Rothschild. And nor have any of their other respective paternal ancestors other than those listed above, as far as my research has turned up:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p5341.htm#i53407

http://www.thepeerage.com/p19566.htm#i195653

http://www.thepeerage.com/p19539.htm#i195386

Note that the Great Great Great Great (yes, that’s four Greats!) Grandfather of Lord Jacob Rothschild & the Great Great Great Grandfather of Sir Evelyn & David René de Rothschild - Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the Rothschild international banking dynasty, was made an Imperial (Holy Roman Empire) Crown Agent in 1800:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p19531.htm#i195307

Evelyn de Rothschild’s Grandfather Leopold de Rothschild was invested as a Commander, Royal Victorian Order (C.V.O.) in 1902. Leopold’s brother Sir Nathan Mayer Rothschild, the Great Grandfather of Lord Jacob Rothschild, was invested as a Knight Grand Cross, Royal Victorian Order (G.C.V.O.), also in 1902. Leopold & Nathan Mayer’s parents were Baron Lionel Nathan de Rothschild and Charlotte de Rothschild. Baron Lionel Nathan de Rothschild was senior partner of NM Rothschild and Sons in 1836.

http://www.thepeerage.com/p19553.htm#i195528

http://www.thepeerage.com/p7037.htm#i70366

http://www.thepeerage.com/p19553.htm#i195523

Lionel Nathan’s father was - confusingly - another Nathan Mayer & the son of Mayer Amschel. This Nathan Mayer was the ancestor of both Sir Evelyn & Lord Jacob. His brother (another of the original (in)famous five sons of Mayer Amschel) Jame Mayer was the ancestor of David René de Rothschild.

I will note here that at the bottom of this focus on the Rothschilds I have selected some career & business-related information from Wikipedia to get some up-to-date, mainstream information on the prominent Rothschilds to use as a quick comparison of one family member with another & for comparing with more conspiracy-orientated material.

Now for some bankers information more directly related to the American side of things, note that US financial magnate JP Morgan (who escaped death by not going on the Titanic that he was booked to travel on) died appropriately enough in Rome & was a Knight of the Papal-loyal House of Savoy’s Order of Sts Maurice & Lazarus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.P._Morgan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Saints_Maurice_and_Lazarus

And of course, from 1918 JP Morgan, Jr’s lawyer & frontman Elihu Root headed the club that became the Council on Foreign Relations in 1921, which Root was a leading member of & it is of course no surprise that JP Morgan’s Chief Counsel was the first CFR President:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations#Morgan_and_Rockefeller_involvement

In truth & awareness -

TS


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http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/12/25/excerpts-from-does-the-vatican-hold-your-mortgage/

EXCERPTS FROM “DOES THE VATICAN HOLD YOUR MORTGAGE?”

Excerpts from “Does the Vatican Hold Your Mortgage?” by William Thomas:

http://www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/Vatican_Mortgage_Part_1.html

The Fed gets its orders from the Queen Mum of All Banks, the Bank of England - aka, the Bank of Rothschild. Considered by many to be the world’s most powerful institution - the power behind all presidencies, dictatorships and thrones - does the Bank of England answer to any other bank?

Well, yes, actually.

The Bank of Rome began opening branch offices in Venice in 1587.

Bank of Rome = Vatican Bank controlled by the Jesuit General, aka the “Black” (hidden, shadowy) Pope.

The Jesuit’s Bank of Rome opened its Bank of England branch in 1694. The first bank to be named after a country, the Bank of England had nothing to do with the British government - except to own it through privately held, interest-compounded debt.

Unaccountable to either the Queen or Parliament, the misleadingly labeled “Bank of England” finances the throne, the British prime minister, parliament and much of the planet out of “The City” located in central London. All major British banks have their main offices in this “Square Mile” - as well as 70 U.S. banks. Throw in the London Stock Exchange, Lloyd’s of London, the Baltic Exchange (shipping), Fleet Street (publishing and newspapers), the London Commodity and Metal exchanges - and you are looking at Earth’s financial axis. [Descent into Slavery]

The City operates as a sovereign state, just like the Vatican. Since 1820, the Rothschilds have traditionally chosen The City’s Lord Mayor.

Back in the USA, as author Eric Phelps explained in an interview just before publication of his secrecy-shredding Vatican Assassins, (which was held up to include corrections by sympathetic Jesuits) - the Vatican’s Black Robes “own and control” the Federal Reserve Bank “by proxy, through the Knights of Malta, with their various trusts and so on. They never own anything outright; they always own it through a trusted third party.”

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“All roads do lead to Rome … We have the Federal Reserve begat by the Bank of England begat by the Bank of Rome. Similarly, the Bank of Canada is an offspring of the Bank of England, which in turn is a child of the Bank of Rome - aka, the Vatican Bank.

And the Vatican, as everyone “knows” is run by the CNN-featured “White” Pope. Left untranslated is the coronation moment when the new Pontiff is told in Latin: “Take thou the tiara adorned with the triple crown, and know that thou art the father of princes and kings, and art the governor of the world.” [Vatican Assassins]

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According to Baron Avro Manhattan, author of a jaw-dropping series of Vatican books, “Many historians and researchers and one American Congressman stated that: ‘The Vatican through the Jesuit Order controlling the Illuminati is in control of the United States Federal Reserve.’” [Vatican Billions by Avro Manhattan]

http://www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/Vatican_Mortgage_Part_2.html

“It is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” -Pope Boniface, Unam Sanctam (1302)

… we’re beginning to see how more than 150 years ago, the General of a subversive military power called the Jesuits could brag to Duke de Brissac, “From this room, your grace, I govern not only Paris, but China - not only China, but the whole world - and all without any one knowing how it is done.” [Constitution of the Jesuits 1843]

National and personal sovereignty haven’t improved much since. As Baron Avro Manhattan put it, the Pope “doesn’t have to pray for divine intervention to operate the levers of economic power - he merely has to give instructions to his officials in the Vatican Bank. Only the pope and a couple of top bank officers know precise details of its operations… This secrecy is one of the main reasons why few people know that the papacy directs one of the world’s major financial corporations.”

The Vatican likes to point out that it’s going broke running Vatican City. But Cardinal Edmund Szoka, the Vatican’s unofficial finance minister, told Money Week that the Vatican’s assets total some $5 billion. Vatican City “has a separate financial statement,” he added.

According to Baron Manhattan’s research: “The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. ”

A nationally syndicated Catholic priest has stated, “The Catholic Church must be the biggest corporation in the United States. We have a branch office in every neighborhood. Our assets and real estate holdings must exceed those of Standard Oil, A.T.&T., and U.S. Steel combined. And our roster of dues-paying members must be second only to the tax rolls of the United States Government.” [The Vatican Billions]

“But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Vatican, which in the U.S. alone, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country,” Baron Manhattan explains. “The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence.” [Vatican Billions]

Don’t forget to throw in more than 18,000 works of art. [Fortune Dec 21/87]

The Vatican’s gold treasure alone has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. The Independent has independently confirmed that “the Vatican Bank - Istituto per le Opere di Religione - manages more than $4 billion in assets. It does not reveal its profits or dividends, which are paid directly to the Pope. It enjoys the status of a central bank and has a dealing room adorned with crucifixes and papal portraits where 20 traders work .” [Independent Apr 19/02]

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For more excerpts, see: http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/12/25/excerpts-from-does-the-vatican-hold-your-mortgage/

[I have added several notes on each Rothschild featured in Craig Oxley's post below & added my initials after them (TS). For more research see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild - TS]

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2255

Suspicious decorations and obedience

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Early in the 19th century the Pope approached the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds were very friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcastically say “Rothschild has kissed the hand of the Pope. . . Order has at last been re-established”

Derek Wilson: ”Rothschild: The Wealth and Power of a Dynasty”, p. 101
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl171.htm
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“Carl Mayer (Kalman) Rothschild (*1788-†1855, Oesterreich) [Not to be confused with his son Mayer Carl referenced below - TS]

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He even granted Pope Gregory XVI cash injections and was received on January the 10th 1832 in audience, the kiss on the hand allowed and the Order of Saint George awarded.” [Possibly a medal from the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Military_Constantinian_Order_of_Saint_George - TS] ["Selbst dem Papst Gregor XVI. gewährte er finanzielle Spritzen und wurde am 10. Januar 1832 von zur Audienz empfangen, der Handkuss gewährt und der Orden des Heiligen Georg verliehen."] http://www.lemura.de/rth/rth.html [translated]

["Baron Carl Mayer de Rothschild was born in 1788. ... He is the son of Mayer Amschel Rothschild and Gutle Schnapper. ... He was the founder of the Naples branch of Rothschilds, which after the unification of Italy returned to Frankfurt. He lived at Naples, Italy." - http://www.thepeerage.com/p13776.htm#i137757 Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Mayer_von_Rothschild - TS]



Amschel Mayer Rothschild [Not to be confused with his father Mayer Amschel referenced below - TS]

["Amschel Mayer Rothschild was born in 1773. He was the son of Mayer Amschel Rothschild and Gutle Schnapper. He died in 1855. ... He continued the family business at Frankfurt. He was created Baron Rothschild [Austrian Empire] on 29 September 1822. On his death, his business eventually passed into the hands of the Naples Rothschilds.” - http://www.thepeerage.com/p19531.htm#i195310 Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amschel_Mayer_Rothschild - TS]

Wears a [Order of Malta, Order of St John, Johanniterorden - TS] Maltese cross. After all Amschel Mayer was the first son of the old Rothschild, Mayer Amschel, and took over the head office in Frankfurt.



[Baron - TS] Mayer Carl of [de - TS] Rothschild [Not to be confused with his father Carl Mayer referenced above - TS]

["Baron Mayer Carl Rothschild was born in 1820. He is the son of Baron Carl Mayer de Rothschild and Adelheid Hertz. ... Baron Mayer Carl Rothschild lived at Naples, Italy. He lived at Frankfurt-am-Main, Hessen, Germany." - http://www.thepeerage.com/p7107.htm#i71070 ]

Only the decoration to the left [the gentleman in the photo's right - TS] could be Jewish – the others rather not. [Star of the Knight Grand Cross of the British Empire, above the Order of Malta or Order of St John's Maltese Cross, I believe. The source of this photo appears to be: http://www.bium.univ-paris5.fr/sfhad/iahd/iahd02f.htm. Thus, if the gentleman in the photo above is Baron Mayer Carl Rothschild - as appears to be the case, as referenced at the above academic site - then it is most interesting & curious that this Italian & German-based Rothschild was honoured by the British Monarch, assuming that my identification of the 8-pointed star is correct. - TS]



Mayer Rothschild (?)

Below seems to be dangling a Christian [ostensibly Christian, in fact Pagan Romanist - TS] cross

[Presumably Mayer Amschel Rothschild? Not to be confused with his son Amschel Mayer referenced above. "Mayer Amschel Rothschild was born on 23 February 1743/44. He was the son of Amschel Moses Rothschild and Schönche Lechnich. ... Mayer Amschel Rothschild was an Imperial (Holy Roman Empire) Crown Agent in 1800." - http://www.thepeerage.com/p19531.htm#i195307 Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayer_Amschel_Rothschild - TS].


Focusing on the more prominent Rothschilds, here’s a selection of career-related information from Wikipedia:

Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rothschild,_4th_Baron_Rothschild#Business_and_connections

“He is a shareholder in Rothschild Continuation Holdings, the Swiss-based holding company for the Rothschild interests which has positions in many of the family businesses, including the bank N M Rothschild & Sons. After resigning from the bank, Jacob Rothschild went on to found J. Rothschild Assurance Group (now St. James’s Place) with Sir Mark Weinberg in 1991. In 1989, he joined forces with Sir James Goldsmith and Kerry Packer, in an unsuccessful bid for British American Tobacco. His main business interests now are RIT Capital Partners plc, an investment trust company with net assets under management of £1700m (Aug 2008), of which he is Chairman, Spencer House Capital Management LLP founded with Richard Horlick (formerly CIO of Schroders), and Spencer House Partners, a “mini merchant bank” headed by Rothschild and Ronald Cohen of Apax Partners. He also retains many other venture capital and property interests. On 17 November 2003, he took up his post as deputy chairman of BSkyB. From his headquarters in St James’s Place in London, Jacob Rothschild has cultivated an influential set of clients, business associates and friends who have extended his interests far beyond the normal scope of a banker. He was a close personal friend of Diana, Princess of Wales and maintains strong personal and business links with Henry Kissinger.

His country estate has been a regular venue for visiting heads of state including Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. Margaret Thatcher received French President François Mitterrand there at a summit in 1990. He hosted the European Economic Round Table conference in 2002, attended by such figures as James Wolfensohn, former president of the World Bank, Nicky Oppenheimer, Warren Buffett and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In 2003 Rothschild came under scrutiny when Russian oil industrialist Mikhail Khodorkovsky’s shares in YUKOS passed to him under a deal they concluded prior to Khodorkovsky’s arrest.”

Nat Rothschild:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Philip_Rothschild#Career

“Rothschild began his career in 1994 at Lazard Brothers Asset Management in London, before joining Gleacher Partners, the New York-based mergers and acquisitions (M&A) advisory firm founded by Eric Gleacher, former head of M&A at Morgan Stanley and Lehman Brothers.

Rothschild is the co-chairman of Atticus Capital LP, an international investment management firm established in 1995, that has offices in New York and London. He is also a director of RIT Capital Partners plc, and a director of The Rothschild Foundation. In 2006, he was appointed chairman of Trigranit, a Hungarian developer of which he is a major shareholder.

Rothschild is a member of the Belfer Center’s International Council at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government and the International Advisory Council of the Brookings Institution. He is also a member of the International Advisory Board of the Barrick Gold Corporation. He was nominated as a “Young Global Leader” by the World Economic Forum in 2005.”

Evelyn de Rothschild:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_de_Rothschild#Career

“In 1968, Evelyn de Rothschild was appointed a director of Paris-based de Rothschild Frères while Guy de Rothschild from the French branch of the family became a partner at N M Rothschild & Sons. In 1976 he took over as bank chairman from Victor Rothschild and in 1982 became chairman of Rothschilds Continuation Holdings AG, the co-ordinating company for the merchant banking group. He became co-chairman of Rothschild Bank A.G., Zurich in 1994, serving until 2003 when he oversaw the merger of the family’s French and UK houses. David René de Rothschild of the French branch took over as executive chairman of Rothschild International after the different branches had been merged and Sir Evelyn continued as non-executive chairman of N M Rothschild & Sons. In 2003, he founded with his wife, Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a holding company, E.L. Rothschild, to manage their investments in The Economist and various enterprises in India.

Throughout his career, Evelyn de Rothschild has been actively involved in a number of other organisations in both the private and public sectors and has held the following business positions:

* Chairman - The Economist (1972-1989)
* Chairman - British Merchant Banking & Securities House Association (1985-1989)
* Deputy Chairman - Milton Keynes Development Corporation (1971-1984)
* Chairman - United Racecourses (1977-1994)
* Director - De Beers Consolidated Mines (1977-1994)
* Director - IBM United Kingdom Holdings Limited (1972-1995)

Evelyn de Rothschild also served as a Director of the newspaper group owned by Lord Beaverbrook. Years later, he served for a time as a Director of Lord Black’s Daily Telegraph newspaper and was a member of the Hollinger International Advisory Board. An owner of thoroughbred racehorses, he is a former chairman of United Racecourses, which owns Epsom Downs and Sandown Park racecourses.

In 1989 he was knighted by HM Queen Elizabeth II. He has been a Governor of the London School of Economics and Political Science as well as an active patron of the arts and supporter of a number of charities. He served as Chairman of the Delegacy of St Mary’s Hospital Medical School from 1977 to 1988. He has been a Member of the Council of the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art, a trustee of the Shakespeare Globe Trust, and in 1998 was appointed Chairman of the Princess Royal Trust for Carers. Sir Evelyn was the founding chairman of the 1990 European Association for Banking and Financial History e.V. in Frankfurt, Germany, a position he held until retiring in 2004.”

David Mayer de Rothschild:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mayer_de_Rothschild

“Neither he nor his brother have shown interest in joining the family-owned N M Rothschild & Sons London banking business and when their father stepped down as chairman in 2003, cousin David René de Rothschild of the French branch of the family took over as head of the worldwide Rothschild Group.”

The most active & prominent living Rothschild in the business world today is:

David René James de Rothschild:

http://www.thepeerage.com/p19539.htm#i195386

“… born in 1942. He is the son of Guy Edouard Alphonse Paul de Rothschild and Alix Hermine Jeanette Schey von Koromla. He married Princess Olimpia Anna Aldobrandini in 1974. David René James de Rothschild was head of NM Rothschild, London in 2003.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ren%C3%A9_de_Rothschild

“David de Rothschild was educated at Institut d’Études Politiques de Paris in Paris from which he graduated in 1966. He began his business career at Société miniére et métallurgique de Peñarroya, one of the family’s international mining businesses headquartered in Paris. He then began training in de Rothschild Frères bank.

French government reform of banking regulations ended the legal distinction between banques d’affaires and deposit banks and in 1967 de Rothschild Frères became Banque Rothschild, a limited-liability company. David de Rothschild’s father was an aggressive businessman who strove to expand the bank and their investments in mining and oil exploration as chairman of Imetal S.A.. However, the family fortunes suffered a severe setback following the election to the French Presidency of the socialist government of François Mitterrand in 1981. The new parliament nationalized a number of large companies and banks including that of the Rothschild family. An angry and discouraged 72-year-old Guy de Rothschild left France for a time and settled in New York City where the family had existing but limited business activities. In an October 18, 2003 interview with George Trefgarne published in the The Spectator, David de Rothschild said that after nationalisation it took until 1986, when the Socialists lost power, for Rothschild family members to get a new banking license. In 1987 a successor company called Rothschild & Cie Banque was created by David de Rothschild who was joined by his half-brother Edouard and cousin Eric de Rothschild. Capitalized at only $1 million and starting with just three employees, they soon built their tiny investment bank into a major competitor in France and continental Europe.

In 2003, following the retirement of Sir Evelyn de Rothschild as head of N M Rothschild & Sons of London, the English and French firms merged to become one umbrella entity called “Group Rothschild.” Ownership was shared equally between the French and English branches of the family under the leadership of David de Rothschild. In 2007, the English branch sold their share to the French branch. The French branch now fully own N M Rothschild & Sons.

As of 2008, David de Rothschild holds the following corporate positions:

* Chairman of N M Rothschild & Sons
* Chairman of Rothschilds Continuation Holdings
* Vice Chairman of Rothschild Bank AG
* Vice Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Paris Orleans
* Senior Partner of Rothschild & Cie Banque
* Member of the Supervisory Board of Compagnie Financiere Saint-Honore
* Member of the Supervisory Board of Compagnie Financiere Martin Maurel
* Member of the Supervisory Board of De Beers Group
* Member of the Supervisory Board of Groupe Casino

David de Rothschild also owns a share of the Château Lafite-Rothschild vineyard but is not active in the day to day operations.”

And we shall also note:

Benjamin Edmond Maurice de Rothschild

http://www.thepeerage.com/p19546.htm#i195452

“… born in 1963. He is the son of Edmond Adolphe Maurice Jules Jacques de Rothschild and Nadine Nelly Jeannette L’Hopitalier. Benjamin Edmond Maurice de Rothschild was head of the Compagnie Financière Edmond de Rothschild. In 2001 he launched e-Rothschild (an online bank).”

-Troy

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Someone didn't like Eric's beliefs & info, so they started a topic to look for ways to besmirch him, as one maintaining the position that the Jesuits reign over the whole Illuminati (High-level, Deep Occult Freemasonic) network - including those within the Knighthood Orders & the Labor Zionist Kabbalists (such as the Rothschilds) working to bring about the New World Order.

Thus this information is completely relevant & on-topic, demonstrating just how correct Eric has been along in his thesis.

There is the position of the "Antizio-Nits" that "the Jews" are all-powerful. This is completely unfounded, as demonstrated by my presentation above, showing that the Rothschilds have been Royal & Papal Knights all along, loyal to their Sovereign Queen & to their Papal Grand Master & thus in deference to their Jesuit Overlords.

Just like Jesuit-educated Vatican asset Shimon Peres, recently made a Knight of the Order of Sts Michael & George, & thus loyal to his Grand Master the Duke of Kent (also Grand Master of the UGLE & thus global head of Regular Freemasonry - whose own son, a converted Roman Catholic, was married in the Vatican in 2006 with Papal blessings) & Sovereign Queen Elizabeth II, that Papal Dame of the Order of Malta.

You would prefer someone to talk drivel to in an attempt to divert from these incontrovertible truths.

-Troy

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ColossusOfDestiny wrote:

Sorry if I am a little behind on termonology but what is a Temporal Coadjutor?

No problem, Colossus.

I think that the following piece is a good demonstration of the particular type & definition of Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor that I was using here. These are "Jesuits of the short robe", Jesuit-trained intelligence & espionage agents provocateurs, thus not Jesuit priests .

Their numbers include top politicians, military men, intelligence ops, financiers & even conspiracy forum diversion agents:

http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=24194

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Possible Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors at Freedom4um 00-Hotherp Reports 13 Aug 2007 Coral Snake Before we start I must explain the term Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor. A Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor is not someone who wears a black robe with his collar on ass backwards as you might expect, in fact they are not even necessarily "he" at all. This is because a Temporal Coadjutor is not a Jesuit but someone in the order's employ, particularly when working for pet "New World Order" projects. Most of them were educated from Jesuit run Roman Catholic schools and universities and have received their brainwash regarding pet "New World Order" projects they are supposed to participate in in those schools. One of the main projects of the Jesuit Order and thus the NEW WORLD ORDER, which is nothing more than the OLD ROMAN EMPIRE disguising itself as an organized religion using the NEW WORLD ORDER to regain its "temporal authority" over the world is Anti-Semitism or more accurately Anti-Judaism. However we will continue to use the term Anti-Semitism in this article because that is what Anti-Judaism is best known as. Anti-Semitism serves many important purposes for the Jesuit Order in reestablishing the Pope's emperor ship or world "Temporal Authority" through the New World Order. Probably the most important is to tar anti New World Order truth groups with the brush of the Nazism and Anti-Semitism that the Jesuit Order actually created. This is the one we will be concerning ourselves with here. (Hitler was brought up with a Jesuit/Roman education and it is now believed a Jesuit priest rather than Rudolph Hess was the ghost writer for Hitler in the writing of Mein Kamph. In addition to this Hitler admitted having the deadly SS force organized along the lines of the Jesuit Order showing that he and Heinrich Himmler knew the organization of that order intimately.) Other New World Order purposes for Anti-Semitism are: 1. Undermining the authority of the King James Bible all of which is translated from documents written by JEWS under the inspiration of God. 2. Depopulation: The Holocaust or Showah as it is known to Jews was part of a more general depopulation scheme by the NAZIs that included even so called "aryan" Germans that did not match up to Hitler's and the "New World Order's" standards for the best "citizen" slaves of that so called "master race". (And yes the Holocaust or Showah was a historical fact no matter how much the Anti-Semites try to deny it. 3. Undermining the ONLY gun rights group that gives the TRUTHFUL history of so called "gun control" laws and their DIRECT tie to GENOCIDE and DEPOPULATION movements, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Now on to the story of possible Jesuit Coadjutors amongst the Anti-Semites at Freedom4um. It begins with two other web sites Liberty Forum and Judicial-inc.biz. Basically in its beginnings Liberty Forum is a forum site formerly run by a Libertarian screen named John Deere (probably after the tractor company by the same name) for debating assorted Libertarian issues and judicial-inc.biz is a hard core Anti-Semite site that accuses Jews of involvement in every crime since the late 19th century as well as practicing Holocaust/Showah denial and pro Hitler "nostalgia". Judicial-inc.biz has also been tied in with the Jesuits as a Temporal Coadjutor site. These two sites came into voilent fusion when Hard Core Anti-Semites who were AND ARE in all probability Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors began posting judicial-inc.biz articles to Liberty Forum turning it into a judicial-inc.biz/stormfront "lite" and destroying its original purpose of being a debate forum on Libertarian subjects. This eventually caused John Deere to simply pick up and leave the site to the Anti-Semites. Eventually Libertarians regained control of Liberty Forum and began to push the Anti-Semites off their forum, first by outright banning but later by use of a "Bozo" like system based on voting or against articles in such a way that unpopular articles would not be seen unless an individual wanted to see them and set the software to show them. (This latter system like the Bozo filter is used by the general populace of the forum and is therefore seen as a more Libertarian way to deal with the Anti-Semite problem than outright banning by an admin or moderator.) The so called "censorship" against the Anti-Semitic Jesuit Coadjutors at Liberty Forum caused them to look for another place to spread their venom and undermine genuine patriots and Constitutionalists trying to get the truth out on the New World Order by tarring ALL of them with the Anti-Semite brush. At about the same time as all of this was going on another Constitutionalist/patriot/libertarian forum called Freedom Underground was being split in two with one half of its membership staying at the Freedom Underground site and the other half forming a new site called Freedom4um. No sooner did Freedom4um start up than its Anti-Semitic contingent started inviting the hardcore Anti-Semites that were being "censored" (actually Bozoed by having their articles voted against by the Libertarian majority there) at Liberty Forum over to the New Freedom4um. This event pretty much brings us up to the present. Now to get back to the issue at hand, why do I consider at least some of the Anti-Semites at Freedom4um to be Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors. The first reason for this is when I first began to expose the "New World Order" as nothing more than a scheme by THE POPE and the JESUIT ORDER to restore the Pope's Imperial/Temporal Authority over the world and a new ROMAN EMPIRE on Freedom4um the ANTI-SEMITES there began a ridicule campaign to try to shut this exposure down with several of them ACTUALLY ADMITTING to having been educated in JESUIT SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES. All I can say is that it is a good thing that Freedom4um is a relatively small site relative to FreeRepublic, LibertyPost and Liberty Forum. Even though these three forums continue to have their own serious corruption problems Anti-Semitic Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors undermining and condemning as Anti-Semites serious efforts to expose the New World Order and ITS REAL SOURCE, the wannabe NEW ROMAN EMPIRE currently disguised as an organized religion are not amongst them. I believe that this IS a current and DEADLY problem at Freedom4um and one that other patriot and truth sites should be very careful of even if it means abandoning a little libertarianism in speech, for this Jesuit founded project of Anti-Semitism could by public demonization alone destroy the patriot/constitutionalist/truth movement very easily if it gains control of ALL of its forums and Chat rooms the way it did with Freedom4um. Not to mention the fact that Anti-Semitism itself is probably of genuine demonic origin in all likely hood because of its ability to undermine the Authority of the Jewish originated documents that were translated into the King James Bible.

Note that the people running & financially driving Israel are not of the Jewish religion, they are Kabbalists (e.g. those Royal knights & Papal Court Jews, the Rothschilds & Shimon Peres), & that since the time of Christ the Talmudics have controlled religious Judaism (the Papal-loyal Rabbis & Rebbes, who have no king but the Papal Caesar). Karaite Judaism is the only form of non-Talmudic (as were the true, original followers of Moses through to the Babylonian Exile, though recurringly plagued by Occultists in their midst, especially from Solomon's time on) religious Judaism, but even this is Antichristian & hatefully so from some of the quarters that I have read.

The ordinary, non-fundamentalist Jews, not leaning toward either extreme Orthodoxy or extreme & mostly covert Occultism bear the hatred of those agitated into anti-Jewish fury by Rome. The true spiritual Jews today - though now freed from the Law - are Christians, not the Babylonian Talmudic Orthodox "Jews" or Kabbalistic Occultists: both flipsides of the same coin & working in tandem for Rome against both non-Talmudic, non-Occultist Jews & Protestant Christians.

I realize that this is slightly off-topic as per your question, but necessary context to add to the above piece I feel.

Provable Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors, Jesuit-trained assets (Hayden, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Giuliani) & other Papists (such as the Bushes) executed 9/11, to blame ultimately on the "Jews".

I have posted lists of these men & their Jesuit, Papal & general Romanist connections.

There are those who strongly deny any of this.

There are those who say that they agree, but then act & write in a way that can only benefit the Great Red Dragon of Rome.

The question that we must ask ourselves in both of these cases is why?

-Troy

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Was Ignatius of Loyola a Jew? Absolutely not.

Loyola was anti-Jew. It was Loyola who made it so that no Jew could see a physician unless that Jew first submitted to a priest. Loyola hated the Jews as did the papacy at that time in history.

Let's take that most mainstream of mainstream sources, yet one that also often presents different contentions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Loyola

No mention of being a Jew, a crypto-Jew or Marrano Jew (crypto-Sephardic Jew).

Now the Jesuits are the most likely contenders for putting out the disinformation that Ignatius was a Jew, as such propaganda is a most well-used shield of the Jesuits & the Papacy.

This fiction about Ignatius of Loyola is promoted by the likes of "Jew Watch". Not "Sabbatean Watch" or "Labor Zionist Watch" - "Jew Watch". Who are these anti-Jewish fascists? Roman Catholics? Almost certainly, although possibly a Sabbatean. If they claim to be Protestant, then they are most likely Jesuit infiltrators.

Note that the Jesuits effectively banned Jews from the Order from 1593-1946, requiring at least five generations of Roman Catholic identity in order to guard against this.

Understand that the racial Jews involved in the New World Order conspiracy are Sabbateans. Sabbateans were (& are) excommunicated as Jews when it is discovered that they are followers of the 17th century Shabtai Tzvi (Sabbatai Zevi). They are anti-Judaism & anti-Christian (not to mention anti-Muslim) & heretics & crypto-heretics. They are the original secular (atheistic) racial Jews. They are natural "bedfellows" with the Masonic Luciferian Jesuits & Vatican Cardinals.

They have been under the control of the Jesuits since no later than the Order's creation of the Bavarian Illuminati. Remember Jacob Frank's godfather at his Roman Catholic baptism was the king of Poland, Augustus III. The Frankists were always tools of Rome.

Shimon Peres, President of Israel is a leading Sabbatean (& was recently made a Knight of Saints Michael & George). They heavily control the CFR although this is overseen by Edward Cardinal Egan, Archbishop of New York (the "American pope" & top US Knight of Malta). Jacob Frank, another Jewish false Messiah & the leader of Sabbateans of the 18th-19th century was provably under Vatican control. Unarguable historical fact.

The Pope controls the CFR as it was set up by the first American Pope, James Cardinal Gibbons, in 1921. The Sabbateans in the CFR are Masonic Jewish Labor Zionists. Do not fall for the error of Barry Chamish who teaches that the CFR is an enemy of Rome.

Listen to Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman, author of the two volumes of "To Eliminate the Opiate" (Vol.1 was published in 1974!), although he doesn't touch on the Jesuits & the following article comments on this:

http://crashrecovery.org/antelman/

Barry Chamish explains a major part of the Vatican/Sabbatean relationship in the following piece:

http://www.redmoonrising.com/chamish/bc5.htm#January%2017

This also has useful info:

http://www.redmoonrising.com/chamish/Jul03.htm#July%2012

How to spot a Sabbatean? They are racially Jewish, apologists for the Jesuits & often have their children educated at Jesuit schools/universities. Of course many others may never mention the Jesuits & have kids going to other schools.

If I remember correctly, Antelman states in the above interview that Kabbalist, writer, Professor Gershom Scholem wrote & published a book (I don't think that it came out in English), revealing that he (Scholem) was a Sabbatean of generations of Sabbateans. This was published in the time since Antelman's own "To Eliminate The Opiate" (1974) was published.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gershom_Scholem

I will just state here that Jesuit-trained Bavarian Illuminati founder/creator Adam Weishaupt was not a Jew either. The claim that he was (as with the claim that Ignatius was) is a fallacious "fact" which is often asserted by "Jewish conspiracy" mythmakers.

The occult racial Jews (not true religious Jews), date back to the Babylonian captivity, half a millennium BC. They learned what they know from their masters, the priesthood of the Babylonian Mystery Religion, which religion is thoroughly examined in Alexander Hislop's "Two Babylon's". That religion is now the Roman Catholic Church, the counterfeit & hijacker of Christianity & it still has the original patent on Satanism, the Sabbateans deferring to them accordingly.

The Talmud is completely Babylonian too. So this Babylonian attack on Torah-faithful Jews & Bible-believing Christians goes way back. In terms of its first printing, that was in Venice, Italy.

The Sabbateans founded so-called Reform Judaism & so-called Conservative Judaism, as counterfeit forms of Judaism, which spiritually they don't care for.

Sabbateanism itself may have developed out of the Lurianic Kabbalah of Isaac Luria, who interestingly was born in 1534, the year that the Jesuits were founded, but not much proof of anything other than synchronicity.

Hasidism is also Jesuit-controlled as its top rabbis are Masonic, it promotes the damnable Talmud, and it contributed to the pope's Eurasian Jewish Holocaust. Notice that the Rebbe was allowed to escape Europe to New York City! He worked with the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Eugenio Zolli, who after the war converted to Romanism. Barry Chamish erroneously defends the Orthodox, Hasidic Judaism and its top rabbis who are traitors, backing the anti-Missionizing law passed in Israel in about 1977.

So I most certainly disagree with those who assert that the New World Order agenda is a Jewish conspiracy. The following piece of disinformation was sent by a Roman Catholic:

"They shove(d) the evils of the Vatican at everyone so the focus is off of them. But even the Jesuits of the Vatican were founded by Jews and there have been many "Closet" Jews. The first Jesuits were crypto-Jews. Ignatius Loyola himself was a crypto-Jew of the Occult Cabala. A crypto-Jew is a Jew who converts to another religion and outwardly embraces the new religion, while secretly maintaining Jewish Kabbalah practices. As John Torell explains: "In 1491 San Ignacio de Loyola was born in the Basque province of Guipuzcoa, Spain. His parents were Marranos and at the time of his birth the family was very wealthy. As a young man he became a member of the Jewish Illuminati order in Spain. As a cover for his crypto Jewish activities, he became very active as a Roman Catholic."

Disagreed! Kabbalic knowledge is Babylonian & a major aspect of the true religion of the ultimately Luciferian Vatican & of high-level Jesuit priests. Again, its all Babylonian (not Jewish) & the racial Jewish religious heretic Occultists have always been the servants of Mystery Babylon, now based in Rome.

-Troy

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Uri wrote:

Judge not, and you shall not be judged: condemn not, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven 8) Brother Eric seems to be another severe case of schizophrenia :lol:

Uri wrote:

Craig-Oxley equals Eric Jon Phelps, schizophrenic.

Uri wrote:

Very profane schizophrenia maybe he is posessed by Satan Popatan.... :shock:

Uri, instead of the "BelzeBob"-style "talking loud, saying nothing" soundbites (no wonder you've posted so many "contributions" at this forum), perhaps you'd care to spell out very clearly what amazing understanding you have reached as to the true dynamics & nature of the covert global power structure? And I'm not talking about some vague "Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Windsors" David Icke minus the reptilian shape-shifting bunkum!

Snide little comments are easy to make & are classic counterintelligence diversionary ploys.

Ognir wrote:

Save us from this SPAMMER André, actually he's a coward :lol:

If any of the Rome-expose "debunkers" (LOL!!) can reply with a coherent analysis of what the marks & evidence of deference & hierarchy are symbolically, philosophically & practically via clothing, historical documents, hierarchy of orders & members, connections between individuals of different types of orders (e.g. Masonic & Papal-loyal Knighthood), histories from vastly different sources including notable ones from previous centuries through to the present day, that provide rigorous & logical analysis of how your version of events & spiritual & temporal power distribution is manifested & maintained - if any of you can do this, then please let's see your presentation.

This means showing how you understand the "Zionists", the British Royal Family - or some unknown group like Alan Watts' "Lazy Boys". Michael Tsarion's "Atonists" or David Icke & Arizona Wilder's "Marquis de Lib(er)e(a)u(x)" - maintain control & influence over the Jesuits; the Vatican's Pope, Curia, Cardinals & Archbishops; the Papal & Catholic Knighthood Orders (Golden Fleece, Malta, St Januarius, Constantinians, Francis I, Holy Sepulchre, Teutonics, Sts Maurice & Lazarus, et al...); high-level regular & irregular Freemasonry rites (Scottish Rite/Rose Croix, York Rite/Royal Arch/Mark Masters, etc..., Memphis-Misraim) & networks (UGLE, Grand Orient, CLIPSAS...); not to forget organisations such as NATO, Blackwater, CIA, NSA, the US Army, the CFR & the European Commission of the EU, to name a few!

And in the case of the (usually fairly undefined & vague) "Zionists created & control the New World Order agenda" or the "Jordan Maxwell's right - it's the Queen who's Boss!", then please demonstrate the dynamics of the type of connections referred to earlier, but between these groups as well.

Until you can post a comprehensive overview of such bodies & demonstrate how they are essentially directed by whoever your current favourite choice of Top Dog is, then any comments like those posted above can be considered to be weak & baseless acts of bravado.

Any refutational response to this that won't take up that simple challenge - & one that can be seen & read by all for some time (oh, unless we go "post-digital" that is, Uri!) - is a cop out. We then have no reason to take these hecklers even remotely seriously.

After 100 minutes of you "debating" Eric Phelps, Ognir, we were still none the wiser as to any of your understanding or evidences of the NWO power structure - or even if you had/have one beyond "it's the Jews/Zionists" (with no analysis of different faiths & philosophies that are now - mostly erroneously - called Judaism & of different forms of Zionism & thus different types of Zionists).

How are the elite Arabs steered by the Zionists then? What are the orders & individual connections involved. How do any of these verifiably benefit from say arms sales & how might this connect with global surveillance? I have proved how these things benefit & can be directed from a structure that ultimately serves & benefits Rome in the present day. Particularly via the Franco-Neapolitan Constantinian Order & Royal Order of Francis I & those Order's Grand Master's (the Duke of Castro's) family's business interests (Vitrociset) & his (his orders') loyalty to the Papacy & spiritual direction from a Jesuit Cardinal. Directing much of the Jesuit/Vatican designs of bringing about the New World Religion under the auspices of "inter-religious dialogue" & having members of family & orders involved in everything from top religious positions, high finance & verifiable large scale illegal business practices, I have provided many links to substantiate these matters both here & elsewhere. This is just one arm of the Roman Octopus though, but one that serves my illustrate my point well when explored.

We can see that I have then gone on to show how via certain other key players such as (Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York; US Knights of Malta Principal Chaplain; Knight of Sts Maurice & Lazarus) Cardinal Egan, (Roman Catholic Head of the Royal House of Savoy; Prince of Naples; Order of Sts Maurice & Lazarus Grand Master; P2 Mason; arms dealer; Knight of Malta; Constantinian Knight) Vittorio Emanuele & Jesuits based in Rome & the US have had the positions to orchestrate the likes of (Knights of Malta Order of Merit member) George Bush Sr, (Jesuit-trained) Donald Rumsfeld & major players in key strategic positions, including (Jesuit-trained Roman Catholic CIA Director) George Tenet, (Roman Catholic NSA Director) Michael Hayden, (Roman Catholic Mayor of New York; Savoy Order of Merit member) Rudy Giuliani, who would have been capable of carrying out orders to execute the events of 9/11 via the US Dept of "Defense" (!) & the major US intelligence agencies & jurisdiction that they controlled.

Still it's easier to call Craig a spammer & a coward, yet repeatedly fail to rise to his consistent ability to name names, demonstrate connections & document events. When you don't stand a chance of successfully denting the veracity of the material that he - & others like Eric Phelps (whose own presentation of 9/11's international orchestration is essential reading, see: http://www.vaticanassassins.org/ny_attack.htm ), Thomas Richards, Doug Willinger, Darryl Eberhardt, to name a few - have presented in different ways in recent times, not to mention the vast literature on the subject of Rome's agenda dating back centuries & coming up into more recent times via the likes of Edmond Paris, Avro Manhattan, Alberto Rivera, F. Tupper Saussy & others, when you can't deconstruct the weight of the accounts & proofs of fact, then it's far easier to taunt & jeer.

That will never change this one truth:

All roads lead to Rome.

- TS

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true2u wrote:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/calendar.html

Whatever way you slice it & dice it, your claim that Solomon Bush is the ancestor of the Bushes that we all know & despise is completely & utterly false!

As I stated above to your claim that "It's more than likely that the British Royals are Ashkenazi Jews, same as those that control the USA Government - blood related.":

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Which would prove what exactly (if you could prove it, which you haven't)? That the Pope's racially Jewish anti-Judaism Papal Court Jews are put in the places of power that the Profane point to like children in Santa's Grotto do to the white-bearded fat man in a red outfit pretending to be something that is a complete lie anyway! ... "The (crypto-Frankist Sabbatain) Labor Zionists serve the Jesuits & thus hate Judaism & all other racially Jewish people (i.e. those that don't covertly serve Rome. See John 19:15: "But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar" These were false Jews & of the Babylonian Mystery religion in fact. This tradition of anti-Jewish Jews has gone on since Babylon. The centre of the occultism of Babylon shifted to Rome & has had servants in Jerusalem who have betrayed the Jewish people both in Israel two millennium ago, then in Europe under instruction from Rome through till the end of the Second World War (in reality the latter part of the Pope's Second Thirty Years War)"

To learn & understand about the relationship between Rome & its racially Jewish, Papal-loyal servants for once & for all & move beyond Conspiracy Simpleton Land, study all of the posts at the following link:

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/category/papal-court-zionists/

-Troy

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From http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=1060

Dear Troy,

I only quoted that portion from Nesta Webster’s work as to specific facts in contrast to the reader sorting out deceptive conclusions on the part of the misleading Webster. Webster was a Roman Catholic and beholden to the Roman Hierarchy with which she was in contact. She promoted the lie that Weishaupt hated the Jesuits and broke with the Order—a lie repeated by all those seeking to cover the tracks of the clear link between the Jesuit Order and the Illuminati. This same lie is employed by the John Birch Society as per Gary Allen’s None Dare Call it Conspiracy, when Allen depicts Jesuit General Pedro Arrupe as an enemy of the World Conspiracy—the Rothschilds! Again, Weishaupt was not an “implacable enemy of the Jesuits;” this is Webster’s propaganda.

For once the Jesuits are conclusively linked to be the controllers of the Illuminati (having originated in Jesuit-ruled, Roman Catholic, Inquisitional Bavaria, the game is over as to who really controlled not only the French Revolution, but also the Bolshevik Revolution—a secret that must be kept hidden at all costs!

Communism must always be portrayed to be the enemy of the pope and thus the Black Pope; this was one of the purposes of the Cold War justifing the intelligence link between the CIA and the Vatican. Both were fighting “godless Jew Communism,” the continuation of Jesuit-trained Goebbels’ propaganda machine. Clearly, the Jesuits benefited by the works of their Bavarian Illuminati and its control of continental Freemasonry via Frederick the Great II. For it was by this Jesuit- controlled Illuminized Freemasonry that the Order punished all of its enemies via the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars as I prove in VAII and VAIII. This is an attack that does not refute the conclusion—that the Society of Jesus controls all High level Freemasonry without which the Order wound not be presently running the world.

Sincerely in faith,

Brother Eric