Tuesday, October 01, 2013

Edud's Views and Others



edud01                                                                                                         
I both "get" and understand why you WANT and NEED to believe that. But FACTS and TRUTH stand ALONE and does not equal demonization. The fact that you have white friends and family members does NOT change the FACT that white supremacy exists and a "system" of white supremacy governs the existance of people of color, especailly Blacks. As you know, Thomas Jefferson held slaves, yet loved Black women. Sen. Storm Thurman traveled the country with anti Black messages WHILE sleeping with, and having a child by, a Black woman. White supremacist "game" is that there are ONLY a "few" racist and the majority are "good" whites. NOT!!! And that DEFIES logic. If there were only a "few" supremacist/racists and the majority were all "good", the supremacist/racist "system" couldNOT stand. Instead the OPPOSET is TRUE(To varying degrees). There are ONLY a few whites who believe in GENUINE 100% equality and Black empowerment. Everything else is "game" and ILLUSION. That's WHY 400 years LATER, things are STILL the SAME. White supremacy just kept up with the times. Remember, it was once ok to whip/beat your children in order to CONTROL them. NOW, you must come up with other means to achieve the SAME thing--CONTROL.


http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T6090PF10PL8ALV2D/p29

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-legacy-of-malcolm-x-the-internationalization-of-the-black-struggle/5368267

http://www.workers.org/2010/us/malcolm_x_0225/

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TGR7NOC6C0A1A5PFR/p47





http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T6090PF10PL8ALV2D/p23

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T6090PF10PL8ALV2D/p27

http://blackagendareport.com/content/treme-rewrites-post-katrina-history-and-that%E2%80%99s-good-thing

http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TKSRT4VT8G65GS8H4/p7
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Whites don't care about Black empowerment but they "claim" they do. Whites are ALL about their survival on the planet and they are willing to say or do ANYTHING to achieve that. You are correct that Blacks need to feel a sense of responsibility for each other in a world that cares LESS about them. However, that's easier said than done. If it were that easy, we would have done so 400 years ago. The SAME forces at play then CONTINUES today. The "Black responsibility" game is derived from white supremacist to shift blame to Blacks for THEIR behavior. We tried "Black responsibility" when we founded Rosewood, a sucessful Black owned town in Fla. We tried it in Tulsa, Ok, we tried it with "Black wall street", etc. So, what happened when we took "responsibility"??? WHITES mamed, killed, and destroyed both people and property. So the "good innocent" white man sitting innocently by while "lazy Blacks shun responsibility" GAME don't cut it when placed beside FACTS. With our INDOCTRINATION it is IMPOSSIBLE to "just" stick together, or "just" act responsible. If we begain with Black children born TODAY, and indoctrinate them with TRUTH from the womb it would STILL take generations to rebuild "unity" among oursleves as we have NOT had it in over 400 years( unity has NEVER been destroyed with other groups so we can't be compared to others). White supremacy MUST be eradicated across the globe before MEANINGFUL peace and unity can be achieved.

-Edud

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There SHOULD be NO suprise. Whites are ALL the SAME when it comes to an INHERENT belief in superiority over people of color, especailly Blacks. There are two types of INDOCTRINATION occuring FROM the WOMB. One INDOCTRINATED with SUPERIORITY and the other indoctrinated with INFERIORITY. Black/white children examined with the infamous Doll experiments SHOW indoctrination STARTS early(at birth).
While we like to beleive things have "changed", they have NOT. White supremacy/racism continues as before, it simply kept up with the times.

-Edud

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edud01                                                                                                         
While "some" young whites are bucking this "mindset", most are NOT. When we peel back the onion, we see that whites operate on the principle of expediency(What is BEST/advantagous for THEM). Their REAL intent is often "cloaked" So well we don't catch it until it's too late. The TRUTH of the matter is, MOST young Black/white interaction is based on white s3xual desires. Are these young whites taking young Blacks into the corporate world with them? Have these young whites opened the prison doors? Are these young whites out fighting gang and gun violence in the Black community? Black unemployment is the highest in the country. Are young whites hiring Blacks? These SAME young whites are fighting in my area to resegregate the schools. We are NOT fooled by the "few" racist whites game when we KNOW we exist in a "system" of white supremacy.

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Pam_L
Psychology isn't my field but one doesn't have to be an expert in it to know that the stigma against suicide in the black community is compounded by the fact that asking for help, especially with emotional issues, is considered somewhat 'unmanly' in this society. In fact we know that in most societies men are expected to be physically and emotionally strong and able to handle any problem that life throws at them. Men put these constraints on themselves as part of their masculine self-image, and for a man to admit that he is in the kind of terrible emotional pain that leads to suicide is quite a challenge to that. Sadness is considered to be 'weak', and 'feminine', and so is talking about one's emotions.
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edud01                                                                                                         
I love WHEN and HOW you teach TRUTH!!! Excellent post!!! In addition, let me add that another problem to Blacks seeking psychological help is the fact that their are FEW Black psychologist, and even FEWER who reveal TRUTH. White psychologists and mental health workers are PART of the supremacist "system" and CANNOT reveal TRUTH. After listening to Black "problems"(The ROOT causes are white supremacy and supremacist "systems"), their ONLY answer is the "pull yourself up" by the boot strap "game" which we KNOW is the typical "game" of white supremacist/racists. So the cycle continues until the person realizes it's "game" and choose to commit suicide. We are SEEING an increasing number of Blacks doing mass shootings and hoping to be killed by the police(A form of suicide). These tend to be Blacks who attempted to BELIEVE in the "system"(The american "dream")but had to conclude it is ALL an ILLUSION(Chris Doner, Alexis(the navy yard shooter), even the elder DC snipper(army man), and others). A lot of the young gang members shooting and killing each other ARE commiting a form of suicide. I recall Dr. Francis Cress Wilsing(A phychiatrist)stating that in order for her to help "her people" mentally, she HAD to understand the ROOT of their problem--racism/white supremacy. We could alleiveate SOME of mental problems/confusions IF we INDOCTRINATED our children with TRUTH from the womb.
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Pam_L                                                                                                         
Thank you so much, edud! I'm honored to receive such a great compliment from you, who has such a deep understanding and grasp on the nature of the problem we're facing. It is quite true that black people find little help from psychologists and psychiatrists because, as you and I know, everything in this system is set up to benefit whites and is tailored to their needs, their likes, their desires, and their outlook on EVERYTHING. The brother who did that latest mass shooting at the Navy yard had already been in contact with army doctors and police in which he specifically told them he was 'hearing voices', and was also having his sleep patterns disturbed by 'microwaves', but apparently, no one connected the dots, or didn't TRY TO.
However, we also have to consider the fact that many black people (though not all), because of white supremacist conditioning, are extremely reluctant to seek help for emotional or mental problems. Even if you try to bring up the subject the first thing many people will practically YELL at you is, "I ain't crazy!" Needless to say, this attitude is not helping the situation.
I recently read a great blog post by someone who did a brilliant analysis of "The Matrix", and compared our situation to the one in the movie. The truth in this comparison was as clear as day. This IS like living in a world where a false reality has been pulled over our eyes in order to blot out the horrible truth. Maybe the brothers who have acted in such destructive ways saw that and simply could not handle it any longer.
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edud01                                                                                                         
All TRUE!!! I had a family member who sought "help"(A goverment employee who BELIEVED in the white "system" 100%)from a pyscologist. When it was revealed to the family, most reacted the way you discribed. Most stated, "that's her, I don't NEED any help".
As to the "Matrix" comparison it's TRUE as far as existing in a FALSE reality. If we sit back and observe(Any public place; mall, park, etc)it is CLEAR that Blacks operate in a "robotic" fashion, even our body movements. It's like our "brain computer"(Dr. Welsings term)is attempting to connect the dots on HOW to ACT. Kind of like living with someone who dosen't want us there. We walk on egg shells BECAUSE we DON'T know WHAT to DO or say. And if you are not in that "robotic" state, it SHOWS and both whites and Blacks are STUNNED and don't know how to interact with you.
Keep teaching TRUTH in a world FULL of LIES. Especailly to the "lost", even if they don't want to hear it!!!
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BlackHeywood

[BEAUTIFUL STRUGGLER] Good and Black [OPINION] Jamilah Lemieux says that policing Black behavior won't end racism, nor will it uplift our people
Who taught you to hate yourself?”
Malcolm X’s famous query has been on my mind lately. It was there when President and First Lady Obama took brand new HBCU alumni and their families to task on Morehouse and Bowie State’s graduation days. It was there when Don Lemon posed Boy Scout-esque steps that we—we—could take to end racism. I thought of those words when our beloved POTUS came for us again in his comments during the celebration of the anniversary on the March on Washington. And when Sheryl Underwood sat beneath a shiny wig and before a largely White audience and mocked nappy Black hair. And again yesterday, as the image of a crying Black girl circulated the net after her Black-led school punished her for having Black girl hair.
I don’t think that any of these people would tell you that they hate Black people or themselves or things that are associated with blackness. But the uncomfortable thread running all through these narratives is the suggestion that we have to be good to be good enough. To be respected, to be human, to be validated in the eyes of White folk.
Because, you know, this is what really matters. In fact, I often feel like some of us are walking around wearing invisible W.W.W.F.D. bracelets around their wrists in hopes of somehow policing themselves into validity.
What would White folks do? And what can we do to get them to tell us we’re okay? Who do we have to be to gain their respect? If we play nice, will you finally treat us that way?
Ebony September 2013




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edud01                                                                                                         
As an admirer of Dr. Neely Fuller, Dr. Francis Cress Welsing(whom I admire)relates the following TRUTH:"UNTIL you UNDERSTAND white supremacy, EVERYTHING you THINK you KNOW will only CONFUSE you". MOST of us are NOT BAD or STUPID people, we just DON'T understand white supremacy. We "get" racism BECAUSE we SEE and FEEL it daily. But the ROOT cause of racism(white supremacy)is UNKNOWN to most. That's WHY we are all over the place on racial topics. As you CORRECTLY pointed out, the JOB of whites IS to confuse, blame, lie, etc in order to SHIELD the TRUTH about themselves.

Friday, August 09, 2013

More Advice



TrojanPam
@ THE ALCHEMIST
(continued)
I was almost convinced by a few of the posts that I read on this blogpost that maybe this conversation was counter-productive but after reading YOUR post, I realized it was a HUGE MISTAKE NOT to talk about this
I agree that the blaming posture is not helpful BUT I believe that ALL things “in the dark, so to speak” should be BROUGHT TO LIGHT.
I believe EVERYTHING should be OPEN for examination and NO TOPIC — no matter how “offensive” should be overlooked. Black people collectively have already spent FAR too much time in denial and avoidance and now we are reaping a BITTER HARVEST by NOT doing what should have been done a long time ago
TELLING THE TRUTH SO WE CAN SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS
The Tommy Sotomayors of the black community aren’t interested in telling the truth. They aren’t interested in solving any problems. They’re not offering constructive criticism, what they’re doing is acting out their MONSTROSITY PERSONALITIES and ISSUES at the EXPENSE OF BLACK FEMALES
and while the white elites are creating a BLACK SCAPEGOAT SCENARIO by blaming all their crimes on black people and putting a black face on everything that angers white people (which is why President Obama was (S)ELECTED)
black males like Sotomayor are creating a BLACK FEMALE SCAPEGOAT SCENARIO by putting a BLACK FEMALE FACE on everything that angers black males — and in essence are GIVING BLACK MALES PERMISSION TO DEGRADE AND HARM AND KILL BLACK FEMALES
and the white supremacy system created this NEED via the gangsta rap, TV, movies, etc that shows a DEGRADED AND UGLY IMAGE of black females, in particular, the DARK-SKINNED BLACK FEMALE
and sadly, many black males — even those with dark-skinned mothers, daughters, sisters, etc
HAVE BOUGHT RIGHT INTO IT and instead of FOCUSING on the REAL PROBLEM: RACISM/WHITE SUPREMACY —
it is NOT black females that have eliminated black males from the workforce, or who have unjustly incarcerated them, or who have pumped 50 bullets into their unarmed bodies, or who have allowed the Zimmermans to murder black people and walk free.
YET some black males show MORE HATRED for black females than for the white people who are HARMING THEM
WORDS ARE POWERFUL, and white people have used them against black people successfully — and those WORDS affect whether we get that JOB or not, whether we get that LOAN or not, whether we go to JAIL or not, and whether a white policeman can TAKE OUR LIFE AND GET AWAY WITH IT or not.
Why would anyone think that black females LIVES are NOT BEING EQUALLY AFFECTED by these harsh, heartless and condemning WORDS from black males who are supposed to love and care for us? If we cannot count on black males to protect and defend us who are we supposed to turn to?
Thank you for your post. It brought to mind the SERIOUSNESS of the words of Sotomayor AND what a DANGEROUS ROAD black males and black females are traveling on
because even while I write this black people are being PURGED from american society, from the schools, the workplaces, even from PARTICIPATION in elections and society at general (due to the increasing number of black felons AKA “The New Jim Crow” — all while being BLAMED for the collapse of “American society” by the frustrated and frightened white masses.
For any black male (or female) who is IN a SINKING SHIP full of HOLES to spend ANY amount of time trying to drown another black person INSTEAD of asking them to help PLUG UP the holes so NO ONE WILL DROWN
that is the best evidence of a PERSON WHO HAS BECOME A DANGEROUS MONSTROSITY instead of a degraded person who is determined to RECLAIM THE HUMANITY AND HUMANNESS that was stolen from them. .
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Trojan Pam
@ THE ALCHEMIST
who said: “After suffering for hundreds of years, many black males can see no suffering except their own. No matter what happens they are ALWAYS THE ONLY victims.
The black male collective relates to black women and others in a very narcissistic way. Past and present injustices justify their right to functions outside of any sort of just ethical/moral framework. In other words, they have given themselves a “Black Male Victimhood Pass”.
This pass allows the bearer the right to rape, murder, sexually/financially exploit, menace, degrade and emotionally neglect black women and black children who do not play-their-positions or if the bearer (BMV) is bored. They are blinded by their own anger at not receiving the full patriarchal goody bag at birth.
The blood in the streets that belongs to their mothers, sisters, and daughters goes unnoticed. Perhaps the blood has been there for so long its existence no longer registers as unusual by black males and many black females.”
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This is the kind of TRUTH that many black females are afraid to express lest we appear to working “against the black male” and working on behalf of “the (white) man.”
Black females largely remain silent in the face of so much collective black male abuse and ridicule OUT OF FEAR of alienating black males whose ties to black females are already so FRAGILE that just the least bit of LEGITIMATE CRITICISM may break them altogether
BUT that is a RISK we must take because we cannot go on like this. We cannot continue to ALLOW the black female to be ANYONE’S punching bag YET expect her to raise (often alone) MENTALLY HEALTHY BLACK CHILDREN — who are the FUTURE of the black nation.
Unfortunately, I have seen the attitudes you described above — of all my life, that black males are largely silent when it come to the abuse and degradation of black females YET expect the black female to make up the BLACK VANGUARD in those issues that primarily affect black males.
Black girls and women’s abuse is always swept under the rug and just mentioning them is seen as DIVISIVE by those black males who believe that ONLY they are the real victims because in their minds ONLY men are important — let’s be real about that.
This ATTEMPTED SEXISM (because REAL sexism requires REAL POWER) is something that seemed to take wings in the early sixties when white males like Daniel Moynihan cunningly blamed black females for the “emasculation” of black males RATHER than RIGHTFULLY blaming white people — and gave the poor oppressed black a NEW target for his frustration and rage:
the black female
I believe the NUMBNESS of black males toward black female suffering is NOT because they are heartless, but because they have been rendered POWERLESS during and after slavery to stop the abuse of their women and children that after a while, they began to NORMALIZE and INTERNALIZE the belief that the black female was NOT worthy of uplifting OR protecting because they had FAILED at doing it for so long.
The ABNORMAL became NORMAL
We all live under a white supremacy ANTI-FEMALE, ANTI-BLACK, and ANTI-BLACK FEMALE society, which has all but CRUSHED the ability to EMPATHIZE with the most DEGRADED PERSON in America: the black female, especially, the dark-skinned black female,
And I see this lack of empathy that black females have for OTHER black females.
I think you have dug DEEP in your analysis and have made some serious points worthy of extended food for thought
I also believe that rather than always suggesting that black females do more INTERNAL work on ourselves (which most of us desperately need)
black males need to DOUBLE their FOCUS on their OWN internal housekeeping
we will NOT be able to solve the problem of eliminating racism/white supremacy without the black male AND black female working TOGETHER, so we better work on respecting, supporting, and valuing each other while we still have TIME.

http://rdthrawn.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/5-common-libertarian-arguments-debunked/

http://mattgbush.me/2011/10/02/american-libertarianism-is-self-refuting/

http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/document/meaning-hope

http://www.sermonillustrations.com/a-z/k/king_jr_martin_luther.htm

http://michigancitizen.com/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-in-michigan-1945-68-2/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/11/1082636/-Refuting-Libertarian-talking-points

http://www.std.com/~mhuben/liberal.html

http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2012/05/crammasters-and-other-folks-words-shown.html

http://truthseeker24info.blogspot.com/2011/03/advice-words-and-secrets-about-game.html




Tuesday, May 28, 2013

Research from Others



During a visit to Baltimore several years ago, Katleen Cleaver gave a talk, in in part of her talk she read from once secret FBI files which revealed that J. Edgar Hoover was more worreid about Black Panther PROGRAMS (free breakfast, clinics, housing cooperative and political education) than about the guns they sometimes carried. Our secret police were more worried about Panthers organizing rent strikes and teaching folk how to organize than by an threat (usually exaggerated anyway) of violence from the Party. During her visit to the Bmore/DC area last month, Angela Davis--a close friend of the BPP--made similar analyses. It's partly due to the influence of elders who were former Bmor Panther leaders that I decided that education was the best place for me to be in order to promote progressive values and to bequeath unto students (white, black or other) the legacy of what some (like Cedric Robinson) call the "Black RADICAL Tradition"

Yeah sure. The global recession and 12 million hungry American children is proof positive how well capitalism works.


-Savant

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Harrisson wrote:

It's his "SIGNATURE line" for Chrissakes. Give the man a break.
Also, he is a European and specifically a Frenchman.
People from other "White" countries may have the same skin color as you, but they aren't always going to act the way you think "a real white man" should. They have a different CULTURE and a different HERITAGE!!!
Jeez, wake up!
 
Bingo! Too many American whites believe that all whites must think alike. Or if they think different from some rigid norm then they're not really white and are race traitors.
-Savant

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In America, poor white people outnumber the ENTIRE Black population simply because whits are the overwhelming numerical majority. But PROPORTIONATELY BlacK poor (also Latin & Indian poor) are far larger than the white poor.
Poverty is a product of our exploitative and now disintegrating corporate capitalist system. But the DISPROPORTIONATE scale of Black poverty is due to RACISM, plain and simple. Institutional racism under capitalist conditions means superexploitation and economic dislocation.
If your animosity were directed only at the 1%, I should see that as RATIONAL and would have no objections. But your animosity is RACIST, which is why Nazi propaganda appeals to you.
And that reason you have my unmitigated scorn.
-Savant (in Response to PTBW Forever)


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Harrisson wrote:

Skilled, talented South Africans of European descent, in my opinion, have a great deal to offer their country. I do not believe the authorities would tolerate anything against that group even remotely approaching genocide.
Unfortunately, however, black folks and guns tend not to mix very well either here in the USA or in SA. So I do feel bad for the white South Africans who get caught up in an intense wave of black crime, but they should be sensitive and realize that other black folks in South Africa are catching hell as well.
It's a human tragedy for South Africans of all colors and hopefully the government over there can develop a better response in the future.
 
Also, there's no MASS murder going on against whites in South Africa. They are sometimes victims of crime, but not mass murder.
There certainly was murder of Blacks in South Africa by whites, especially by police and military, but also by the apartheid system itself---the economy of which is stil largely in place.
As for crime--the conditions for which were created by the white racist system --most of the Black crime is very much like what you find in our ghettoes over here. Black vs Black violence, the poor and the oppressed directing their rage against each other.
But in South Africa, as in the USA, whites are not usually the victims of crime. Or when they are, they are most often victimized by other whites.
PTWB is talking pish posh... as usual.


-Savant