Wednesday, January 12, 2011

KJV Debate, Troy, and Eric

KING JAMES VI/I'S MASTER OF WORKS WILLIAM SCHAW, GENERAL WARDEN OF THE MASONS, ROMAN CATHOLIC, SUSPECTED JESUIT & ENEMY OF THE MASONIC TEMPLAR SINCLAIRS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Schaw

QUOTE William Schaw

William Schaw (c. 1550 – 1602) was Master of Works to James VI of Scotland, and is claimed to have been an important figure in the development of freemasonry.

...

Master of Work to the Crown of Scotland
1583–1602

Preceded by Robert Drummond of Carnock

Succeeded by David Cunninghame of Robertland
QUOTE Biography

William first appears on his own account in the records in 1580 when he was listed by an English informant as a follower of Esmé Stewart, 1st Duke of Lennox, the king's favourite at the Scottish court.[2]. He signed the negative confession whereby courtiers pledged allegiance to the reformation. ... In May 1583, William Schaw was in Paris at the death of the king's favourite Esmé Stewart and it was said that he took Esmé's heart back to Scotland.[4] On 21 December 1583, James VI appointed him principal Master of Works in Scotland for life, with responsibility for all royal castles and palaces. ... The replacement of the incumbent Robert Drummond of Carnock with Schaw, a Roman Catholic, may have been a reaction to the Ruthven Raid.[6] By the terms of his appointment, Schaw for the rest of his life was to be;

'Grit maister of wark of all and sindrie his hienes palaceis, biggingis and reparationis, - and greit oversear, directour and commander of quhatsumevir police devysit or to be devysit for our soverane lordis behuif and plessur.' or, in current words; 'Great master of work of all and sundry his higness' palaces, building works and repairs, - and great overseer, director and commander of whatsoever policy devised or to be devised for our sovereign lord's behalf and pleasure.' [7]

In November 1583 he travelled on a diplomatic trip to France with Alexander Seton, a fellow Catholic with an interest in architecture. He returned in the winter of 1584, and became involved in building work for the Seton family.[8] In 1585 he was one of three courtiers who entertained Danish ambassadors visiting the court in Dunfermline and St Andrews.[9] In 1588 Schaw was amongst a group of Catholics ordered to appear before the Edinburgh Presbytery, and English agents reported him as being a suspected Jesuit and holding anti-English views during the 1590s.[6] By this time he had acquired the barony of Sauchie.

He was amongst the courtiers who accompanied James VI to Denmark to fetch his new queen Anne of Denmark. He returned in early 1590, ahead of the rest of the party in order to prepare for their subsequent return. He busied himself repairing Holyrood Palace and Dunfermline Palace which had been assigned to the queen. He was also responsible for the elaborate ceremony greeting her arrival at Leith, and he subsequently became master of ceremonies to the court.

By 1593 he was appointed as Chamberlain to the lordship of Dunfermline, i.e. the household of Queen Anne, where he worked closely with Alexander Seton and William Fowler. The Queen gave him a hat badge in the form of a golden salamander at New Year 1594-5. The badge was supplied by the jeweller Thomas Foulis.[10] ...

Schaw died in 1602. He was succeeded as King's Master of Works by David Cunninghame of Robertland.[15] His tomb in Dunfermline Abbey was constructed at the expense of his friend Alexander Seton and a lengthy Latin inscription records Schaw's intellectual skills and achievements.[16] The tomb inscription remains the most valuable source of biographic information, and was almost certainly the work of Alexander Seton, translated it reads:

"This humble structure of stones covers a man of excellent skill, notable probity, singular integrity of life, adorned with the greatest of virtues - William Schaw, Master of the King's Works, President of the Sacred Ceremonies, and the Queen's Chamberlain. He died 18th April, 1602. Among the living he dwelt fifty-two years; he had travelled in France and many other Kingdoms, for the improvement of his mind; he wanted no liberal training; was most skilful in architecture; ... Queen Anne ordered this monument to be erected to the memory of this most excellent and most upright man, lest his virtues, worthy of eternal commendation, should pass away with the death of his body."
QUOTE Masonic Statutes

First Schaw Statutes

On 28 December 1598 Schaw, in his capacity of Master of Works and General Warden of the master stonemasons, issued "The Statutis and ordinananceis to be obseruit by all the maister maoissounis within this realme". The preamble states that the statutes were issued with the consent of a craft convention, simply specified as all the master masons gathered that day. Schaw's first statutes root themselves in the Old Charges, with additional material to describe a hierarchy of wardens, deacons and masters.
... Six master masons and two entered apprentices had to be present for a master or fellow of the craft to be admitted. Various other rules were laid out for the running of the lodge, supervision of work, and fines for non-attendance at lodge meetings.

The statute was agreed by all the master masons present, and arrangements were made to send a copy to every lodge in Scotland. The statute indicates a significant advance in the organisation of the craft, with shires constituting an intermediate level of organisation. ...

Copies of the statute (along with the Second Shaw Statute) were written into the minutes of Aitchison's Haven (Newbattle) and Edinburgh Lodges.


Second Schaw Statutes

The Second Schaw Statutes were signed on 28 December 1599, at Holyroodhouse and consisted of fourteen separate statutes. Some of these were addressed specifically to Lodge Mother Kilwinning, others to the lodges of Scotland in general. Kilwinning Lodge was given regional authority for west Scotland, its previous practices were confirmed, various administrative functions were specified and the officials of the lodge were enjoined to ensure that all craft fellows and apprentices "tah tryall of the art of memorie".
More generally, rules were laid down for proper record keeping of the lodges, with specific fees being laid down.

The statutes state that Kilwinning was the head and second lodge in Scotland. This seems to relate to the fact that Kilwinning claimed predence as the first lodge in Scotland, but that in Schaw's scheme of things, the Edinburgh Lodge would be most important followed by Kilwinning and then Stirling. David Stevenson argues that the Second Schaw statutes dealt with the response from within the craft to his first statutes, whereby various traditions were mobilised against his innovations, particularly from Kilwinning.[17]
The reference to the art of memory may be taken as a direct reference to renaissance esotericism. William Fowler, who had been a colleague of Schaw both in his trip to Denmark and at Dunfermline, had instructed Queen Anne of Denmark in the technique. Indeed Fowler had met Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno at the house of Michel de Castelnau in London in the 1580s. The art of memory constituted an important element of Bruno's magical system.


The Sinclair Statutes

Two letters were drawn up in 1600 and 1601
and involved the lodges of Dunfermline, St Andrews, Edinburgh, Aitchison's Haven and Haddington, and were signed by Schaw himself in his capacity of Master of Works (but not General Warden). They are known as the First Sinclair Statutes as they supposedly confirm the role of the lairds of Roslin as patrons and protectors of the craft. Once again it would suggest that Schaw's proposed reorganisation of the craft had encountered some problems. Indeed, it presaged an ongoing struggle between the Master of Works and the Sinclairs, which Schaw's successors in the post continued, following his death in 1602.
QUOTE References

1. ^ Stevenson, David, The Origins of Freemasonry: Scotland's century 1590 - 1710, Cambridge University Press, 1988, p. 27: Register of the Privy Seal of Scotland, 1556-67, vol. i, HMSO (1957) no. 810, 811: Accounts of the Lord High Treasurer of Scotland, 1559- 1559, HMSO (1916), 23
2. ^ John Strype, Annals of the Reformation, (1824), Vol. II part II, 325
3. ^ Register of the Privy Council of Scotland, vol. 8, HMSO, (1982), 35, no. 210, non-entry of Irnecumrie, composition £60.
4. ^ Calendar of State Papers Foreign, Elizabeth: January-June 1583 and addenda, vol. 17 (1913), no. 362, 9 June 1583
5. ^ National Archives of Scotland E22/6 Treasurer's Accounts f133v
6. ^ a b Stevenson, p. 28
7. ^ Register of the Privy Seal of Scotland, 1581-1584, vol. 8 (1982), 276-277 no. 1676.
8. ^ Scott, Walter ed., Memorie of the Somervilles, Edinburgh (1815), 460.
9. ^ Thomson, Thomas ed., Sir James Melville, Memoirs of My own Life, Edinburgh (1827)
10. ^ National Archives of Scotland E30/14 Thomas Foulis / English Subsidy Account
11. ^ Calendar State Papers Scotland, xiii: NAS E21 Scottish royal accounts 1598 March f50, May f71
12. ^ Glendinning, Miles, and McKechnie, Aonghus, Scottish Architecture, Thames & Hudson, 2004, p.61
13. ^ Reid-Baxter, Jamie, 'Politics, Passion and Poetry in the Court of James VI: John Burel and his surviving works', in Mapstone, S, Houwen, L.A.J.R., and MacDonald, A.A. (eds.) A Palace in the Wind: Essays on Vernacular Culture and Humanism in Late-Medieval and Renaissance, Peeters, 2000, p199-200
14. ^ Chalmers, Robert Domestic Annals of Scotland: Reign of James VI. 1591 - 1603 Part H, 1874 pub. - accessed 2007-05-30
15. ^ McKean, Charles (2001). The Scottish Chateau. Sutton Publishing. ISBN 0-7509-2323-7. P. 158.
16. ^ RCAHMS Inventory Fife: David Stevenson, Origins of Freemasonry (1988)
17. ^ Stevenson, p48- 49


Bibliography

Chalmers, Robert (1874). "Domestic Annals of Scotland: Reign of James VI. 1591 - 1603 Part H". Electric Scotland. Retrieved 2007-05-30.

Glendinning, Miles, and McKechnie, Aonghus, Scottish Architecture, Thames & Hudson, 2004

Reid-Baxter, Jamie "Politics, Passion and Poetry in the Court of James VI: John Burel and his surviving works", in Mapstone, S, Houwen, L.A.J.R., and

MacDonald, A.A. (eds.) A Palace in the Wind: Essays on Vernacular Culture and Humanism in Late-Medieval and Renaissance, Peeters, 2000

Stevenson, David The Origins of Freemasonry: Scotland's century 1590 - 1710, Cambridge University Press, 1988
QUOTE The Origins of Freemasonry

A Lecture given on 25 August 2000, at the 5th International Conference of Great Priories in The Albert Halls, Stirling, Scotland by Dr Robert Lomas of University of Bradford


Where Freemasonry Started

Freemasonry, in the form we would recognise today, started at the building of Rosslyn Chapel near Edinburgh.


...

Who Built Rosslyn?

Rosslyn was built by Sir William St Clair Last St Clair Jarl of Orkney. He was a direct descent of William de St Clair Last Temple Grand Master of Scotland, who died taking the heart of the dead king, Robert de Bruce on a last crusade to Jerusalem.



Sir William, the chapel builder, is also the direct ancestor of First Grand Master Mason of Scotland, also named William St Clair (Sinclair)

Why did William Build Rosslyn?

To house artifacts brought by the Knights Templar to Scotland in 1126.
Between 1118 and 1128 the Templars excavated the ruins of Herod’s Temple in Jerusalem. Hugue de Payen, first Grand Master of the Knights Templar, served on the First Crusade with Henri St Clair, First Earl of Roslin and Hugue visited Roslin in 1126 where he was given land to build the first Templar Preceptory outside the Holy Land.

...

In 1440 William St Clair was the most powerful man in Scotland.

He decided to build Rosslyn to house the treasures he had inherited from the Templars and establish a seat of spiritual authority to rival James II who was dabbling in English politics and finally got himself killed during the War of the Roses.


William brought in Masons to build Rosslyn and built the town of Roslin to house them.

When James II died (1460) his son, James III, thought William was posing to great a threat to the Crown of Scotland so he stripped William of Orkney and broke up his estates

So now we have visited briefly some of the key events involved in the creation of Freemasonry. There is much more to the story, for example the St Clairs had lands at Kilwinning and were involved with famous Mother Kilwinning Lodge there
, but there is not enough time today to tell the full story. So let me finish with a Timeline of the Key events which led to the Formation of the Grand Lodge of Scotland in 1736.

The Timeline of Freemasonry

1440 Masons given the Mason word by William to preserve the secrets of the Templars he was building Rosslyn to house.


1483 The burgh of Aberdeen is recorded as being involved in settlement of a dispute between six ‘masownys of the lurge’. Masonry is starting to spread out as lodges initiate Candidates and give the the 'Mason Word'

1599 Earliest surviving Lodge Minutes from Edinburgh

1601 James VI made a Mason at Lodge of Scoon and Perth.

1602 William Schaw sets up the modern lodge system in Scotland following the instructions of James VI
[NOTE: This is the incorrect date, it was actually in 1598 that King James VI commissioned Schaw to restructure Masonry. 1602 was the year of Schaw's death. - T.S.]

1602 The Lodges of Scotland affirm William St Clair of Roslin as hereditary Grand Master Mason of Scotland from TI

1603 James VI takes Freemasonry to England when he becomes James I of Britain


1641 Sir Robert Moray becomes the first Mason recorded to be made on English Soil.

1715 First Jacobite Rising, lodges begin to disclaim their Scottish roots

1717 Formation of Grand Lodge of London denies Jacobite Heritage

1725 First National Grand Lodge formed in Ireland

1736 Grand Lodge of Scotland Formed as a counter measure to London expansionism.

1736 William St Clair of Roslin made First Grand Master Mason of Scotland and signs away his hereditary rights in favour of elected officers.



Let me leave you with a portrait of William Sinclair of Roslin, First Grand Master Mason of Scotland 1736



Incidentally, William had to be made a Mason before he could take over as grand master mason.



http://www.stbryde.co.uk/articles/freemaso...0pre%201736.htm

PM Bro James Jack, Unity Lodge No. 146 "Masonry in Scotland before the formation of Grand Lodge in 1736"

QUOTE Then in 1601 a document known as the St. Clair "Charter" was drawn up by William Schaw. This Charter suggested that William St. Clair of Roslyn obtain from the Crown, for himself and his heirs the Office of Patron and Judge over the whole craft.

Up until this time, the Lodges in Scotland were comprised mainly of operative masons, some non operatives were invited to join to ensure the patronage of local gentry, they worked a two degree system in the Lodges of this time (the third degree did not come into existence for a further 120 years).


...

Non operative masons had been initiated into Lodges but these were mainly local gentry, however, the first recorded non operative present in a Lodge was John Boswell, who was present at a meeting of the Lodge of Edinburgh on 8th. June 1600.

Non operative masonry received a tremendous boost when it is thought that in 1601 King James 6th of Scotland and 1st of England was admitted into Lodge Scone and Perth. This was to have a profound effect on Scottish masonry, as non-operatives were to be very prominent in many Lodges.


For the non-operatives there were only two steps in Lodge progress, to entered apprentice and then to fellow craft or master. There were naturally no trade tests and it was usual during the 17th. Century to have both ceremonies on the same night.
QUOTE James VI of Scotland

June 19, 1566 - March 27, 1625

King of Scotland (1567-1625), and the first Stuart King of England (1603-25)
, English historians have tended to portray him as a coward and a fussy and foolish pedant: 'The wisest fool in Christendom'. In fact he was reasonably successful in his main goals, increasing national prosperity, maintaining peace with Europe and settling the church. Today, he is remembered for commissioning the so-called King James' Bible, or Authorized Version.

On the west wall of the lodge hall used by Lodge Scoon and Perth No. 3 in Perth, Scotland can be found a mural depicting James VI kneeling at their altar at his initiation. The oldest existing record of the Lodge, called "The Mutual Agreement" of 24 December, 1658, records that James was "entered Freemason and Fellowcraft of the Lodge of Scoon" on 15 April, 1601.

James also appointed William Schaw as Master of the Work and Warden General in 1583, with the commission of re-organising the masonic craft. In 1598, Schaw issued the first of his statutes, setting out the duties of masons to their lodge and to the public, imposing penalties for unsatisfactory work and inadequate safety practices. Schaw drew up a second statute in 1599 wherein the first veiled reference to the existence of esoteric knowledge within the craft of stone masonry can be found.

Initiated: April 15, 1601

Lodge Scoon and Perth No. 3, Perth, Scotland

Source: D. Crawford Smith and William James Hughan, History of the Ancient Masonic Lodge of Scoon and Perth (Number 3, The Lodge of Scone) Perth: Cowan and Company, Limited, 1898. Also see: Year Book of the Grand Lodge of Antient Free and Accepted Masons of Scotland 1990, p. 50.
Note that the Contract or Mutual Agreement is the only record of this initiation, that this history was commissioned by the lodge to establish its claims of precedence, and there is no primary source documentation. Image: artist unknown 'detail'. Scottish National Portrait Gallery.



The Ancient Lodge of Scoon & Perth No 3

http://www.lodgeailsa.org/MentoringDocs/ScoonSpeech.pdf

QUOTE Good evening Brethren, this is the first time I have given this talk on the history and a description of the murals of my 'Mother Lodge' out with the confines of the familiar and comforting surroundings of my own Lodge.

The adaptation of this talk was quite daunting. Firstly let me say it is a pleasure to be here at the invitation of Brother Peter Danbury, your Lodge Secretary and an affiliate of Lodge Scoon & Perth. What you would call a Joining Member. Just one of the many differences we have North of the Border. If you will bear with me, I will try and explain some of these differences as I continue through this talk and at the end, if there are any points still unclear, I along with my fellow members of No 3 here, will attempt to answer them for you.

The Ancient Lodge of Scoon & Perth No 3 on the Roll of the Grand Lodge of Scotland are privileged to enjoy the company of many visitors. To all we always give a right “Warm Welcome". We believe there are three main reasons for Brethren from 'a the 'airts calling on us, The long history of the Lodge, the beauty of our Temple and our Masonic Museum, with the almost unique collection of old aprons, mainly of this Lodge Scoon & Perth No 3. Sadly we lost a number of these in the disastrous fire of 1993, the old aprons that were made of skins shrunk to about two thirds of their original size.

I hope my talk to you will prove of interest, although it must be clearly understood that no attempt has been made at a complete history, but merely touching on some prominent dates and events.

You will understand that many of the oldest Lodges do not have written proof of their ancient beginnings due to a variety of reasons. One of these was that not many people could read or write. The earliest ones who could were the monks and priests, and not all of them had that ability. An early copy of a Bible, for instance would cost the equivalent of three or four farms. Another, the secrecy of the craft in early times and thirdly, the troubled times in the country's history.

In 1653 Oliver Cromwell raised his Citadel beside the River Tay at the south side of the City of Perth. Stabling his cavalry horses in St John's Kirk, he then laid waste to the city, removing an the stone and timbers of the town, the turf from both of the inch’s and clearing most of the more substantial trees between Perth and Falkland, for his Citadel. He had 18,000 troops stationed at Perth who caused quite large scale destruction and devastation making it very difficult for anyone to try and preserve written records through these troubled times.

This Temple was Consecrated on the 4th March 1933 and a description of it in due time. I do emphasize, however, that it is a consecrated building. No man need enter, unless he be in search of light. Should he knock at the door, guidance will be granted not only in the degrees practiced under the Grand Lodge of Scotland’s Charter of Confirmation, but also in the ‘Higher Orders’ of Freemasonry through the courtesy of Lodge Scoon & Perth in granting these 'Orders’ the use of the Temple and premises.

Like many Ancient Incorporations and Societies, the History of Lodge Scoon & Perth is partly traditional. Our early records are lost, but we are a Lodge acknowledged to be one of the oldest, if not the oldest, in Scotland, although our earliest document helped to establish Lodge Mother Kilwinning, as the pre-eminent Lodge in the land, but more on this later.

You are all no doubt aware that with the fusion of the Picts and the Scots, Scotland had become a Nation. It seems to have been the urge of the Scottish Kings for some centuries thereafter to build monuments, some to mark their reign, but usually, let it be said, to the Glory of God.

Scoon has long had a prominent part in Scottish History. In the reign of King Kenneth McAlpin it was made the Capital about the year 843 AD when the Stone of Fate, or as it is now known - The Stone of Destiny or the Coronation Stone, was brought here from Dunstafinage. In later times several Parliaments were held at Scoon and in 1114 AD King Alexander I founded and established an Abbey at Scoon.

If you look to the rear of the Lodge on the West Wall the History of the Lodge proper begins. In the large panel twelve feet long by eight feet six inches high and treated in triptych is an animated scene depicting the building of the Abbey of Scoon. We are shown the main entrance to the Abbey. King Alexander I of Scotland, in 1115, the reigning monarch at the time, has alighted during a hunting trip, to view the progress of the building. The Master Mason, depicted as a venerable figure, is describing the plans of the Abbey, which are held and displayed by an Apprentice. In the retinue of the King we see his Huntsman, the Knights Templars and other figures giving a meaningful message to the Initiate. In the course of construction, the workmen, in an unobtrusive manner are making use of a great many of the working tools. In keeping with the times the Masons who built the Abbey would form themselves into a Lodge. If the ‘Antiquity of the Old Lodges' is to be determined by the age of the churches or buildings with which they are connected, then it follows that the Lodge of Scoon is one of the oldest of the Scottish Lodges. The Abbey of Kilwinning was not founded until 1140.


Whilst Scoon continued to be a Royal Residence and the place where the Scottish Kings were crowned, Perth became the Capital of Scotland. The Lodge of Scoon would then be moved there, where the craftsmen would find plenty of work, for a long time after Perth was well supplied with religious houses. The oldest of the City monasteries built for the Blackfriars lay North of the Burgh founded by King Alexander II in 1231 on whose land our present Lodge premises now stands. The Carmelites or Whitefriars came to Scotland in 1257 and built the smallest of the monasteries round the City, on the Lands of Tullilum. After its destruction the village of Dovecotland was formed in the area of their doocote or pigeon loft. The Carthusian Monastery founded by King James I in 1429, stood outside the West Wall of the City. The monks dressed in white and observed the ru1e of strict silence. The Franciscan or Greyfriars of St. Francis of Assissi, were the last of the great monastic orders to come to our City in 1460 under the protection of Lord Oliphant. These were all more or less destroyed after John Knox's sermon in 1559. King James the VI Hospital built in the old apple orchard Pomarium of the Carthusians. The fact of our Lodge being called the "Lodge of Scoon” is in its self a very strong proof of our antiquity, for had there not been a Lodge erected at Scoon in its earliest days, there was less likelihood of a Lodge being established until modem times. Lodge Stormont No 1524 was consecrated at New Scone in 1956.

Our oldest document is dated 24th December 1658, is the Mutual Agreement 1658. A facsimile can be seen in the North West of the Lodge. The original is in safe keeping in Register House, Edinburgh. It contains the interesting statement giving the genesis of the Lodge, viz:- four hundred, three score and five years or thereby, before 1658. This gives us 1193, as the approximate date of the foundation of the Lodge. The Abbey of Scone was founded in 1114, being 79 years before, so that as D. Crawford Smith says in his 1897 History of the Lodge "or thereby means just 79 years”

This famous document while not a CHARTER can almost be called that. It is our most prized possession and to us is beyond price. It was signed by 41 Brethren of the Lodge and was recorded in the Books of the Grand Lodge of Scotland on the 19th May 1742.

The document also declares 'the current tradition of the time' "the Ancient Lodge of Kilwinning was the first Masonic Lodge established in Scotland" this bears out my earlier statement that Lodge Scoon & Perth considerably helped Lodge Mother Kilwinning to her now established position.
We also learn that King James VI [he would be 34 at this time] by his own wish was entered Freeman and Fellow of Craft of the Lodge. There is nothing strange in that the King should wish to be entered a member of the 'Craft’ as he would be initiated by his own Royal Master Mason John Mylne (Secundus), a member of the family who provided the Masters of this Lodge for generations.

[it should be remembered there was no Master Mason Degree in these days]. The first mention of MASTER MASON DEGREE being worked in the Lodge was 31st December 1744 On the North Wall of the Lodge, there is a mural depicting James VI King of Scots, at the graveside during his Second Degree, by John Mylne (Secundus) 15th April 1601. (subsequently, at the Union of the Crowns 1603 he becomes King James I of England, and is usually referred to as just James VI & I) It is noteworthy that this document to which all subscribed their names, began with the invocation of the name of God and ended with a prayer for his blessing. In this most certainly lay the strong link in the chain of their continuance.






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QUOTE On 6 Jan 2011, at 23:24, Craig Oxley wrote:

On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:43:24 -0500, "Eric Phelps" said:

Schaw died in 1602 and had nothing to do with the Protestant reign of King James.

Bancroft was not on any of the committes of translation. No doubt James persecuted the Puritans, but that had nothing to do with the translation of the text.

More lies from Jesuit Troy Space in his attempt to destroy the foundation for White Protestant Western Civilization in accord with the Council of Trent.

Brother Eric


QUOTE From: TS
Date: 7 January 2011 01:45:57 GMT
ERIC PHELPS' QUITE JESUITICAL NAMECALLING OF MY BEING A JESUIT FOR EXPOSING FALSE-FLAG, MASONIC MONARCH JAMES VI/I'S JESUIT-DIRECTED, ROMISH AGENDA

Dear Craig

King James was no Protestant (he was a crypto-Catholic & aligned with that Roman carbon-copy Church of England) & has nothing to do with the foundation of Protestant Western Civilization (the usurpation of it by Jesuit-loyal forces - yes!). He was a Papal Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor, overseen (until 1602) by Roman Catholic "General Warden of the Craft" William Schaw - who between them were the first two Jesuit emissaries who sought to infiltrate & control Scottish Freemasonry (not the "Scottish" Rite, which was a product of Jesuit/Stewart intrigues in France via Prussia & onto the USA eventually) - that branch of the Templars who were still then hostile to the Roman/Jesuit nexus. Schaw was seminal in forming James ongoing crypto-Romish mindset - which manifested in his actions & inactions & was thinly covered by his rhetorical, propagandist writings.

So according to Eric I am a "Jesuit"?! Yes, black is white & white is black with Eric Phelps it seems. Perhaps he should apply to be the Black Pope's official director of the "Anti-Jesuit Movement", as he clearly seems to be displaying the necessary symbolic reversal techniques? Quite frankly - despite my central disagreements with Eric regarding James VI/I, the KJV & George Washington, I still had quite a bit of respect for Eric until reading that pathetic smear attempt. Pretty disappointing if not altogether unsurprising, considering my having rejected a number of Eric's "sacred cows". After discovering & reading the mountain of evidence against these two false heroes I could not go along with the cover stories enveloping them any longer.

My advice to all truthseekers looking for the most accurate expose on James VI/I's pro-Romanism & details some (but by no means all) of his several subsequent Jesuit advisors is John Daniel's "Grand Design Exposed"(Pp. 95, 224-245).

This book is available at the following links for those wishing to take the blinkers off:

http://www.vaticandesignexposed.com/Part%205.pdf

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Design-Exposed...l/dp/B000QJOUF6 (a bit more expensive at this latter link for reasons unknown).

This excellent & crucial reference work is also most excellent at revealing Order of Cincinnati/Royal Arch Mason George Washington's Romanist leanings & Jesuit connections - as is that other most scholarly Jesuit-exposing history book P.D. Stuart's "Codeword Barbelon" (which Eric ironically sells on his website).

If I am a Jesuit, then so is John Daniel & PD Stuart - by Eric's standards. Let people think what they will - but let them be given all of the available sides to the story first. Why is Eric's version of all events of history (which includes covering up the Catholic complicity of James VI/I & George Washington - for reasons best known to Eric himself) the only "acceptable" version of events? Can Eric name one Jesuit asset that I have covered up & gatekeepered the activities of? Nope! But I have named two of the big ones & he dislikes this so much that he calls me a "Jesuit". Nice try but really - very weak & pitiful. The "my way or the highway" attitude says more about the critic than the one who is criticised.

Eric's writings on historical matters & those pertaining to more contemporary goings on have great value & I do not recommend that they are dismissed by any means. Far from it. However, they do not & should not exist in a vacuum & books such as those listed above should be given equal weight & value & concerning the info that they bring forth on James VI/I (in "Grand Design Exposed") & George Washington (in "G.D.E." & "Codeword Barbelon") they should in my humble opinion be given far greater weight, as their conclusions are the same as mine reached independently, their information & mine complementing & fleshing out the reality behind the foundation myths of these two characters.

A brief summary of my issues with James for those who want a quick overview (utilising selections from posts of mine at the Unhived Mind to minimise needless retyping):

QUOTE All of James' words are but as the chaff which the wind bloweth away (Psalms 1:4) compared to his actions & non-actions which say it all:

* Replacing the Bible of the Reformation, the Geneva Bible with his authorised official crown/state version.

* Forcing Catholic practices upon Protestants: see the Five Articles of Perth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Articles_of_Perth & http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc08/Page_475.html ).

* Dissolving English Parliament in 1621 after being challenged with a petition to enforce the anti-Catholic laws, go to war against Roman Catholic Spain & for the demand that his son Charles, Prince of Wales to marry a Protestant - rather than his preference, the Roman Catholic Spanish Infanta, Maria: see the Spanish Match (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_VI#Spanish_match )



As for the Gunpowder Plot:

QUOTE
QUOTE cui bono?

exclamation
who stands, or stood, to gain (from a crime, and so might have been responsible for it)?
ORIGIN early 17th cent.: Latin, literally ‘to whom (is it) a benefit?’



Hmm, seems to fit the time frame for the words origin just perfectly too. So who did benefit?

King James himself:

His spymaster Sir Robert Cecil (1st earl of Salisbury) successfully managed to extract one of the highest royal subsidies ever from Parliament in the aftermath of the Gunpowder Plot. He also had the perfect cover for implementing pro-Roman actions & avoiding the enforcement of anti-Roman ones, while mouthing anti-Roman rhetoric, thus acting as the perfect tool for the Jesuits this side of the English Channel.

The Jesuits themselves in both the short & the long term:

- Through the High Commssion's ruthless & brutal suppression of the Protestant Reformers (as opposed to the Church of England Conformers) & the Protestant Geneva Bible & via King James carefully minimising repression of Catholics, with the Anti-Catholic laws being a thin "smoke screen".

- The ability to eventually come to fully control the United Kingdom, facilitated by both James' Masonic structure (reworked by James' Grand Warden William Schaw) & the crypto-Catholic Church of England's monopoly on ecclesiastical matters, both entities eventually contributing greatly in different measures to the near-complete legal (compounded by the present financial) destruction of UK sovereignty & its spiritual weakening, leading to its amalgamation into the Jesuit-created Papal European Union.


Eric's claim that Bancroft was not on the AKJV translation committee is just plain wrong.

Strangely Eric seems to have completely forgotten this previous piece of correspondence which showed him to be as wrong then as he is now.

I note that Eric wasn't able to reply then - without showing his error, which instead he insists on repeating now. As Eric would say: "The question is why?"

QUOTE ARCHBISHOP RICHARD BANCROFT, KING JAMES VI/I'S K.J.V. CHIEF OVERSEER/TASK-MASTER, TRANSLATOR & HIGH COMMISSION COURT ENGLISH INQUISITION "RULING SPIRIT"

Dear Eric

You write:

QUOTE Bancroft was not a translator. Check the list.


&:

QUOTE Which KJV translators were on the High Commission?



Bancroft was a Translator as well as the chief overseer of the project:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Bible#Committees

QUOTE Committees

First Westminster Company, translating from Genesis to 2 Kings:

Lancelot Andrewes, John Overall, Hadrian à Saravia, Richard Clarke, John Layfield, Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffrey King, Richard Thomson, William Bedwell;

First Cambridge Company, translated from 1 Chronicles to the Song of Solomon:

Edward Lively, John Richardson, Lawrence Chaderton, Francis Dillingham, Roger Andrewes, Thomas Harrison, Robert Spaulding, Andrew Bing;

First Oxford Company, translated from Isaiah to Malachi:

John Harding, John Rainolds (or Reynolds), Thomas Holland, Richard Kilby, Miles Smith, Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough, William Thorne;[53]

Second Oxford Company, translated the Gospels, Acts of the Apostles, and the Book of Revelation:

Thomas Ravis, George Abbot, Richard Eedes, Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile, John Peryn, Ralph Ravens, John Harmar, John Aglionby, Leonard Hutten;

Second Westminster Company, translated the Epistles:

William Barlow, John Spenser, Roger Fenton, Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, Thomas Sanderson;

Second Cambridge Company, translated the Apocrypha:

John Duport, William Branthwaite, Jeremiah Radcliffe, Samuel Ward, Andrew Downes, John Bois, Robert Ward, Thomas Bilson, Richard Bancroft.[54]

54. ^ (Bobrick 2001, pp. 223–244)

Bobrick, Benson (2001). Wide as the waters: the story of the English Bible and the revolution it inspired. New York: Simon & Schuster. ISBN 0684847477
QUOTE Archbishop Bancroft insisted on having a final say, making fourteen changes, of which one was the term "bishopricke" at Acts 1:20.[52]

^ (Bobrick 2001, p. 257)

Bobrick, Benson (2001). Wide as the waters: the story of the English Bible and the revolution it inspired. New York: Simon & Schuster. ISBN 0684847477



Eric, as per your second question:

QUOTE Which KJV translators were on the High Commission?



KJV Translators who were also members of the anti-Reformist, pro-Conformist High Commission English Inquisition included:

Richard Bancroft (with the Company who Translated the Apocrypha - let us note of the High Commission's love of the Apocrypha that:

QUOTE In 1615, Archbishop Abbott, a High Commission Court member, "forbade anyone to issue a Bible without the Apocrypha on pain of one year's imprisonment" (Moorman, Forever Settled, p. 183). This order was likely aimed at the Geneva Bible with its 1599 edition printed without the Apocrypha. Archbishop Laud can be linked to using the power of the High Commission Court to make the KJV the officially approved translation. Conant noted: "So pertinaciously, indeed, did the people cling ot it [the Geneva Bible], and so injurious was its influence to the interests of Episcopacy and of the 'authorized version,' that in the reign of Charles I, Archbishop Laud made the vending, binding, or importation of it [Geneva Bible] a high-commission crime" (English Bible, p. 367).
)

Lancelot Andrewes (with the Company who Translated Genesis to 2 Kings)

George Abbot (with the Company who Translated the Gospels, Acts of the Apostles & the Book of Revelation)


More details here:

http://www.kjv-only.com/rick/influence.html


Full list of sources here:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mi...60#entry3459996


Alexander McClure wrote that Archbishop Bancroft "was the ruling spirit in that infamous tribunal, the High Commission Court, a sort of British Inquisition" ("The Translators Revived; A Biographical Memoir of the Authors of the English Version of the Holy Bible" (1853), p. 217).

In Christ -

Troy


P.S.: Please find below new & more detailed information on the interference of Bancroft on the KJV Translation that I had not read before tonight from a follow-up addendum to a series of pieces from which I have quoted before (& which themselves have more on Bancroft's High Commission Court English Inquisition orchestration, viewable at the following link but not posted in the text below) & which I now post for the edification of all interested parties:

http://www.dtl.org/versions/article/king-james.htm

QUOTE In his 1671 book, Edward Whiston wrote: “Mention might be made of some unhandsome dealing, not in the translators, but in a great prelate of that time, the chief supervisor of the work, who, as the Reverend Doctor Hill declared in a great and honourable Assembly, would have it speak the prelatical language, and to that end altered it in 14 places” (Life and Death of Henry Jessey, p. 49).

Henry Jessey was at Cambridge several years in the 1620’s where he could have had firsthand contact with some of the KJV translators that were there during that time. John Lewis noted that Jessey was "one well skilled in the Hebrew, Chaldee, Syriac, and Greek tongues" (Complete History, p. 355). The reference work Dictionary of National Biography noted that “his memory for scripture was so minute and accurate that he was termed a living concordance” (Vol. X, p. 808). James Granger referred to Jessey as “an eminent puritan divine” (Biographical History, p. 413). Daniel Neal wrote: “The original languages of the Old And New Testament were as familiar to him [Jessey] as his mother tongue” (History of the Puritans, II, p. 254). John Christian stated that Jessey "was one of the most noted men of his times" (History of the Baptists, I, p. 271). Cathcart’s Baptist Encyclopaedia noted that “his character was marked by unselfishness and an intense love for the truth and its Divine Author” (p. 600). Benjamin Evans stated that “John Bunyan calls him ‘honest and holy Mr. Jessey’” (Early English Baptists, II, p. 150 footnote).
KJV-only advocates may question the validity of Jessey's claim about changes reflecting Episcopal bias being introduced in the 1611, but this claim is likely based on a similar reported claim by someone who would have known firsthand, one of the KJV translators themselves. Gustavus Paine maintained that Miles Smith, final editor of the KJV with Thomas Bilson, “protested that after Bilson and he had finished their editing, Bishop Bancroft made fourteen more changes.” He gave as an example Bancroft's insistence on using "the glorious word bishopric even for Judas in Acts 1:20" (Men Behind the KJV, p. 128). Paine added: “The fact that Smith was the one to protest Bancroft’s amendments suggests that he stood against both Bilson and Bancroft in such matters as the importance of bishoprics” (Ibid.). Edward Whiston asserted that “many of those in King James’ time (had they been as well conscientious in point of fidelity and godliness, as they were furnished with abilities, they) would not have moulded it to their own Episcopal notion rendering episkope, (the office of oversight) by the term Bishoprick Acts 1:20 as they do in 14 places more” (Life, p. 44).

In 1739, John Lewis referred to an essay towards an amendment of this last translation of the Bible “said to have been drawn up” by Henry Jessey (Complete History, p. 355). In his 1845 book, Christopher Anderson also referred to an essay for the amendment of the last translation by Henry Jessey, and Anderson quoted Jessey as writing in that essay that “Dr. Hill declared in open assembly that Bancroft ‘would needs have the version speak prelatic language; and to that end altered it in fourteen several places;’ and that Dr. Miles Smith complained of the Bishops’ alterations” (Annals, II, p. 378). White commented that Jessey “apparently produced a paper arguing the need for a new translation” (Knox, Reformation, p. 141). This 1600’s essay or paper may have been an unprinted manuscript since no printed book written by Jessey with a title like that is known. This essay seems to have been used by Edward Whiston in his 1671 book about the life of Jessey.

In 1727, Edmund Calamy (1671-1732) noted that Henry Jessey “tells us that Dr. Hill declared in a great assembly, that a great Prelate, viz. Bancroft, who was a supervisor of it, would needs have it speak the prelatical language; and to that end altered it in fourteen several places. And Dr. Smith, who was one of the translators and the writer of the preface, (and who was afterwards Bishop of Glouchester,) complained to a minister of that county, of the Archbishop’s alterations: But says he, he is so potent, that there is no contradicting him” (A Continuation, I, p. 47). In 1808, Walter Wilson affirmed that Miles Smith “complained of the Archbishop’s unwarrantable alterations” (History, I, p. 44 note M). In 1839, Benjamin Hanbury maintained that “Bancroft, the supervisor of James’s translation, altered fourteen places to make it speak the language of prelacy” (Historical Memorials, I, p. 2). In his 1853 book, Alexander McClure also referred to Miles Smith's complaint about the Archbishop's alterations: "It is said that Bancroft altered fourteen places, so as to make them speak in phrase to suit him" (KJV Translators Revived, p. 220). Bobrick confirmed that "Smith afterward complained that Bancroft made fourteen changes on his own account" (Wide as the Waters, p. 248). In 1671, Edward Whiston commented: “Indeed those and such other alterations were not only against the minds of the translators, but of the Bishop of Gloucester [Miles Smith], who was joined with the other as a Supervisor, and complained of it to a friend, a minister of that county, but he is so potent, said he, that there is no contradicting him” (Life, p. 50). Joseph Fletcher noted that “the Bishop of Gloucester excused himself for submitting to this tampering with the sacred text, by saying, ‘but he is so potent, there is no contradicting him’” (History, III, p. 39).

Opfell also reported: "In the end Smith complained that Bishop Bancroft had introduced 14 more changes" (KJB Translators, p. 106). Opfell concluded that “as some translators had attested, he [Bancroft] had poked his nose into the text often enough to assure himself that no indignity had been done to bishops” (p. 118). Conant asserted that Bancroft "was publicly charged with having altered the version [KJV] in fourteen places" (The English Bible, p. 440). John McClintock and James Strong also wrote that Bancroft "is said to have made some alterations in the version [KJV]" (Cyclopaedia, I, p. 560). Josiah Penniman observed that “it is said that Bancroft, Bishop of London, insisted on fourteen alterations” (Book about the English Bible, p. 393). Edwin Bissell wrote: “And ‘my Lord of London,‘ who is probably the one referred in the Preface as the chief overseer of the work, was publicly charged at the time, with having altered the version on his own sole authority in fourteen places, the rendering of 1 Peter 2:13, ‘to the king as supreme,‘ being instanced as one of them” (Historic Origin, p. 78). Alister McGrath asserted that Bancroft “had reserved for himself the privilege of making revisions to what hitherto thought of as the final draft” (In the Beginning, p. 178). He also referred to Smith’s complaint “that Bancroft had introduced fourteen changes in the final text without any consultation” (p. 188). In the introductory articles found in Hendrickson’s reprint of the 1611, Alfred Pollard maintained that “another Bishop, Bancroft of London, is said to have insisted on fourteen alterations” (p. 42). Even Laurence Vance, a KJV-only author, acknowledged that Bancroft “is to said to have made fourteen changes” (King James, His Bible, p. 52). Henry Fox asserted: “Again and again were renderings upon which the translators had agreed altered by him [Bancroft] to suit his own views” (On the Revision, p. 7).

Along with Henry Jessey and KJV translator Miles Smith, another man made a report about these changes. In his 1648 sermon, Thomas Hill (c1602-1653), a member of the Westminster Assembly, stated: “I have it from certain hands, such as lived in those times, that when the Bible had been translated by the translators appointed, the New Testament was looked over by some of the great Prelates, (men I could name some of their persons) to bring it to speak prelatical language, and they did alter …fourteen places in the New Testament to make them speak the language of the Church of England” (Six Sermons, p. 24; see also Eadie, English Bible, II, p. 272). Thomas Smith noted that Thomas Hill was “much distinguished for his humility and purity of life,” and he described him as “an excellent and useful preacher of great learning and moderation” (Select Memoirs, p. 554). Samuel Clark observed that Hill “was sound in the faith, orthodox in his judgment” (Lives, p. 90). Thomas Hill would have known KJV translator Laurence Chaderton (1536 or 7-1640), who was Master of Emmanuel, when Hill received his B. A. from Emmanuel. Hill could have had contact with other KJV translators in his years at Cambridge. For example, KJV translator Thomas Harrison (1555-1631) was vice-prefect of Trinity College at Cambridge the last twenty years of his life so that Hill could have met him or at least could have had access to his books and papers. KJV translator Samuel Ward was master of Sidney-Sussex College at Cambridge a number of years so that Hill could have met him. KJV translator John Richardson died at Cambridge and was buried in Trinity College chapel. The time before 1638 when two KJV translators were among those editing the KJV for the 1638 Cambridge edition would have been another opportunity for Thomas Hill to have had firsthand contact with translators. In addition, Thomas Hill had access to other primary sources at Cambridge, including the Lambeth Library with the papers of Archbishop Richard Bancroft. Therefore, it can be validly concluded that Thomas Hill had access to enough primary sources to know whether or not the information in his sermon was reliable. Along with Hill’s 1648 sermon, there are state papers from 1652-1653 that cite his sermon and that refer to the testimony of other preachers.

The Calender of State Papers, Domestic Series, 1652-1653 as edited by Mary Green noted: “Statement that Dr. Hill declared in his sermon, and has since published, that when the Bible had been translated by the translators appointed, the New Testament was looked over by some prelates he could name, to bring it to speak prelatical language, and that he was informed by a great observer, that in 14 places, whereof he instanced five or six, it was corrupted by them. The like testimony was given by some other ancient and godly preachers who lived in those times, and some appearance hereof may yet be seen in a part of that very copy of those translations” (p. 73). John Eadie pointed out that the report of these 14 changes became part of the preamble of a bill in Parliament around 1657 (English Bible, II, p. 272). Eadie cited that preamble as noting that “the like testimony of these prelates” making those changes was “given by some other ancient and godly preachers also, who lived in those times” (Ibid.). Eadie also reported the preamble affirmed that “some appearance hereof may yet be seen in part of that very copy of these translators” (Ibid.). That important evidence asserts that some who examined the copy of the text prepared by the KJV translators for the printers saw evidence of the changes made by a prelate or prelates in that copy before it was lost or destroyed [perhaps around 1660 in the London fire].



- TS


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